New TIVO Platform

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dave13077, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. tater2

    tater2 Tarheel Tivo

    Jun 6, 2001


    yeah I am running it now on my current box. The HDMI went out on the box. I want to upgrade. Hydra is not my favorite but I can navigate around it
  2. stini777

    stini777 Member

    Mar 15, 2016
    In all honesty, it probably won't. And it also sounds like you're in no need of updating to it right now anyway. I would recommend waiting...I think you'll find that outside of the users who are disappointed about the removal of the Live Guide, concern pretty much lies more with the functionality than the look. Things just don't work right. Hopefully all the bugs get worked out.
  3. bobmunck

    bobmunck New member, 16-year TiVo user

    Dec 23, 2013
    Lake Norman, NC
    Having been in the software engineering biz since 1965, I can say with some authority that they never do.

    We just start calling them "features."
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  4. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    The scenario you're describing is what TiVo is offering but it would be available to you ONLY if a local pay TV provider struck a deal with TiVo to implement such a solution. The local pay TV providers that TiVo is trying to sell this solution to are small-to-midsized cable operators and, perhaps, small-to-midsized telco/fiber operators. Spectrum, the cable company where you live, is almost certainly never going to implement this new TiVo platform. Spectrum is the 2nd largest cable co in the US and already has their own UI and back-end systems. (I presume they have some kind of long-term plans in place for transitioning from QAM to IPTV, but I'm not sure. While they're nearly as large as Comcast, they lag well behind them technologically.)

    And even if a local service provider did roll out this new TiVo platform, it would feature the new Hydra UI, not the classic TiVo UI that you love.

    Bottom line: If you want to keep the TiVo UI that you currently have, your only option is to stay with Spectrum cable TV.

    If you're willing to consider other options, it looks like later this year AT&T is going to roll out a streaming version of DirecTV that will work with a new Android TV-powered thin client box with full-featured voice remote. It will feature their next-gen UI and have cloud DVR (no local hard drive). You might get a discount if you bundle it with your AT&T Fiber internet.
  5. bobmunck

    bobmunck New member, 16-year TiVo user

    Dec 23, 2013
    Lake Norman, NC


    Why does it have to be a local pay TV provider? I have huge bandwidth available over the fiber to whatever cloud facilities they're using. I don't see that they would need a physical connection to my equipment at all, which is why I hoped to be able to get rid of Spectrum's cable.

    I worry about that "thin client box." An actual, physical set-top box? Such a thing probably wouldn't integrate with all the other stuff we do over our home network: home automation up the gazoo, external video cameras, security system, weather station, music and videos on the router's hard disk, etc.

    We had TiVo DirecTV for many years, so I'm OK with accessing it over the fiber, depending on how different the interface is. I guess it would depend on pricing, whether I'd need separate boxes for all six TVs, etc. I need all of them to have access to all our home network stuff. Also, we have so many voice-controlled things, a whole bunch of Alexas that sometimes get into fights with each other.
  6. Davisadm

    Davisadm TiVo is awesome!!!!!

    Jan 18, 2008
    TiVo is not showing at CES.
  7. jth tv

    jth tv Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2014
    I've tried DirecTV Now, PlayStation Vue and Sling TV. Each have short free-trials. I did NOT like any of them. Not enough stuff to watch and live tv just stinks. Tivo Roamio using an Antenna supplemented with Netflix and occasional single months of Amazon Prime or Commercial Free Hulu has been working well for me.
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  8. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    I have no idea what TiVo is doing at CES but TiVo_Ted seems to think they are doing something:

    "Next week at the Consumer Electronics Show we will be demonstrating the first set of UI enhancements to the gen4 interface."​

    Hydra... Bring back Live Guide!!!!
  9. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    It would be a local pay TV provider based on the specifics of the TiVo's recent announcement about their new cloud-based platform for MVPDs (i.e. the thing that this thread is about). I think the back-end server-side tech is designed for running over an MVPD's own network, not going OTT nationwide using a huge CDN. At any rate, it's clear to me that, from a business standpoint, the companies that TiVo will be trying to sell this solution to are the same kinds of second- and third-tier local provider MVPDs they've been working with already: RCN, Atlantic Broadband, Armstrong, etc.

    Now, that said, there's nothing stopping TiVo from striking a hypothetical deal with a company that wants to distribute a pay TV service nationally, either a pure OTT service that works over the "open internet" like PS Vue, YouTube TV, etc., or one that uses private/leased network connections like Layer3 (which is being acquired by T-Mobile, BTW). In that hypothetical deal, the distributor would likely only license TiVo apps, using their new Hydra UI and program guide data, for use on subscribers' retail devices (e.g. Apple TV, Roku, etc.). Will such a nationwide live streaming TV service with TiVo branding and UI ever happen? Who knows. I've seen no rumors that anything along those lines is in the works; such a development would be a completely different thing than the new platform that TiVo just announced. But we'll see.

    DirecTV's next-gen thin client boxes will be powered by Android TV, which is a smart TV/streaming box OS from Google. It's basically just Android with a Google-mandated UI, Google voice search/Google Assistant, and the Google Play Store. To the extent that your other home tech is compatible with Android and/or Google Assistant, you're *probably* OK. Whether it will work with Amazon's Alexa, though, is doubtful, but who knows. From what I've read, it looks like AT&T plans to switch to Android TV thin-clients both for satellite TV customers (the C71 thin client to be used in conjunction with the HS-27 home server, which will contain the tuners and hard drive) as well as for streaming TV customers. (Customers of their existing DirecTV Now OTT streaming service also have the choice of using their own retail box: Apple TV, Fire TV, Roku.) I think AT&T's plans are to eventually blur the lines between satellite-based DirecTV and streaming DirecTV, with the goal of moving the bulk of their customers over to the latter.
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  10. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006

    it's a hydra release click
    TiVo's next-gen interface plays nice with all your TV content
  11. Johncv

    Johncv Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA
    The Cox On Demand still work on the new UI?
  12. foghorn2

    foghorn2 Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2004
    Las Vegas
    Yes it does, and looks better than ever! Works on weekends too. (vegas market)
  13. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Aug 21, 2002
    New York...
    They are likely not exhibiting but have off-floor meetings scheduled with operators.
  14. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    They are not listed as an exhibitor. This is one of their web sites:

    Dates and Hours - CES 2018
  15. Johnwashere

    Johnwashere Member

    Sep 17, 2005
    Columbus, Ohio
    I dont think tivo has been on the main show room for a long time if ever. They are tucked away upstairs for just meetings and to talk to certain companies. I remember I went years ago and tried to get in to see the new software but since I wasnt their list I couldnt get in. They gave me a bunch of swag and talked to me for awhile though. Im sure they are doing the same thing this year.
  16. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    I have to laugh at myself at times, this thread started with an article about TiVo's "new" Platform, while the linked article was not extremely clear about TiVo being at CES, other articles released the same day were:
    1. TiVo Debuts its Next-Gen Platform, Works with Android TV - CES 2018 |
    2. CES 2018: TiVo Goes Device-Agnostic with New Platform for MVPDs | Multichannel
    So I would say there is ZERO doubt that TiVo is at CES and will be demoing what these articles are talking about.
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  17. Pacomartin

    Pacomartin Member

    Jun 11, 2013
    Update: a reference that Roku was among the platforms being targeted by TiVo and its new app strategy was removed from the story, as it was not a platform that was included in TiVo's announcement. JB

    Roku is mentioned in the article on eVUE-NOW!, but not in the article on TiVo's Next Generation Platform. Should I not purchase anymore Rokus and trade them in for Amazon Fire TV's or am I being hasty?
  18. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    You are being hasty. Roku still has the most apps.
  19. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    What's most interesting about this new TiVo platform, to me, is that it definitively signals that TiVo envisions a path forward for their MSO partner business that is both hardware agnostic and in which they may not provide any hardware at all. I'm not totally clear on that latter point, as the platform does include the option of an MSO-deployed STB running Android TV or Linux (probably with QAM tuners and/or hard drive), but I tend to think the actual hardware choice there will be up to the MSO, as long as the hardware comports with TiVo's spec guidelines for the MSO's intended use case.

    In the case of those MSO-deployed STBs, I wonder if TiVo will offer up a version of their Vox peanut remote to work with those boxes? Or, given that TiVo appears to be getting out of the hardware game, will the TiVo remote become a thing of the past?

    We've known for some time now that TiVo wants to get out of hardware and be purely a software and services company. So none of this is really surprising. But it is interesting to see it unfold.
  20. Pacomartin

    Pacomartin Member

    Jun 11, 2013
    The tech from my cable company told me they have 100,000 CableCards in stock. Who knows how many millions of dollars in DVRs , set top boxes, modems and routers they have in stock.

    Depending on lease rates I could easily replace the modem, router and all set top boxes, but that may involve an outlay of several hundred dollars. I am reluctant to do so basically because I am afraid that the cable company will just increase the price of the service to replace lost revenue from equipment rental.

    Equipment rental can be a big revenue generator. I noticed my friend was paying $10 a month apiece for two set top boxes that were manufactured in 2006 and cost the cable company about $80 at the time. I called the cable company on her behalf and they simply dropped those charges.

    Right now my cable company is charging me $10 for my MG1 and $6 apiece for my two Mi3s (see my signature for links). But my neighbor was being charged $52 for a for two of them. So the strategy seems to be to charge whatever you can get away with unless the customer complains.
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