New "Tivo Online"

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by CIP54, Jun 9, 2015.

  1. Sep 6, 2015 #321 of 348
    Mikeguy

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    Except that, many users largely have unprotected content--such as, those users with OTA recordings.
     
  2. Jrr6415sun

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    I also can not play any of my recordings no matter how many different computers or browsers I try.

    i'm trying to watch something on CBS from TWC and it won't let me.. Is it because it's CBS in HD?
     
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  3. jonw747

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    I have no idea what the current state is, but DirectTv created an App for watching TV on the PC and I couldn't even use it because it wouldn't work with a dual monitor setup.

    DRM and HDCP aren't new. You'd think they'd be able to make this stuff work seamlessly by now. What a failure.
     
  4. Dan203

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    The original video stream is encrypted and as far as I know there is nothing on Android that allows you to take a video of the screen and save it to a file. On PCs there are a million apps that do that. (know as screen scraping)

    You have to first set up the Stream using one of the mobile apps. There is no way to do the initial configuration via the website. Also you need a Stream. If you have a Roamio Plus/Pro you have one built in, but the Roamio Basic and OTA require an external Stream. ($130) And it only works inside your home, no out of home streaming yet via the website.

    Yeah they likely have similar restrictions. Although the fact that they have an app that is not built into the OS that allows them to play protected content means that there must be some way for 3rd party apps to output HDCP protected content in full screen and prevent screen scraping. I wasn't sure if that was even possible since the only app I know of that supports protected cable recordings in Windows Media Center, which is MS and has access to parts of the OS other apps don't.
     
  5. atmuscarella

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    I find this whole anti screen scraping interesting. I would think that Vudu via their "Vudu To Go" Windows app would have to protect that content to the same level as a recorded TV show (after all you can get the same TV shows from Vudu), once you download a movie/TV show via the Vudu To Go app (which provides HDX quality for most shows) you play it within the Vudu app but it doesn't have to be full screen. I know it uses Adobe Air as it always wants to do an update when I open Vudu To Go other than that I have no idea how it works.
     
  6. Dan203

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    I don't know what deals they have. I just know that we recently looked into the possibility of editing protected shows with VideoReDo and the requirements said we either had to protect against screen scraping or obscure more then 30% of the video. Obviously obscuring the video isn't going to work for a player so they would need to protect against screen scraping. I suspect that this is why the current HDHomeRun player app can't tune any protected channels. (although I hear they're working on this for their DVR product)
     
  7. lpwcomp

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    What I don't understand is why there is any restriction on streaming of unprotected content nor the restrictions on streaming via the apps.

    You should be able to OOH stream unprotected content via TiVo Online.

    You should be able to OOH stream even protected content via the apps.
     
  8. jonw747

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    Well, it's no coincidence they partnered with Cyberlink on the App (makers of DVD and BD playback s/w). The hardware requirements were very strict because everything in the chain needed to support HDCP.

    So, possible, but in my case too painful to the point of being useless.

    Of course we can run Android on a PC. Maybe the protected media Apps can detect that? I don't know. Given how easy it is to steal content, it would be nice if content protection wouldn't encourage it.
     
  9. b_scott

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    agreed. lawyers don't use logic, they just use the letter of the law.

    I'm in that industry, I know.
     
  10. lpwcomp

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    Unless something has changed, the TiVo Android app wont even run on a rooted device so I doubt it will run on a PC.
     
  11. jonw747

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    Well, for example root status can be be faked with a rooted App that makes the device act is if it's not-rooted to Apps you choose. Is this sufficient to fake out the TiVo App? I don't know, but it's basically an "arms race".

    Same thing for detecting an emulator. If an emulator wants to be open about what it is, you would just have to ask the device and block it; but if it's trying to hide itself, you'd have to dig deeper and look for differences the emulator can't hide.
     
  12. lpwcomp

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    Last I heard, no.
     
  13. Dan203

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    It works for me using DuOS on a Surface 3 tablet. The video is choppy though so it's not really usable.
     
  14. Bytez

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    It runs on rooted devices now. Works on my rooted S4 and S6.
     
  15. Nov 1, 2015 #335 of 348
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    Anyone having issues with a lot of studdering? It wasn't like this a few weeks ago.
     
  16. Nov 5, 2015 #336 of 348
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    I am seeing this too. I have a Roamio Plus wired to my network. I have tried several computers both wired and wireless on my home network as well as both IE and Firefox. Audio is good, but video studders (short 1-2 sec pauses) whether in a window or full screen. Both Android and iOS apps stream just fine with no performance issues.

    I just found out about TiVo Online so I don't know if it ever worked better or not.
     
  17. Series3Sub

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    I, too am experiencing problems with TiVo Online within my LAN. All my recordings are OTA with no restrictions. My two Roamios and Premiere XL have green arrows indicating playback on MOST shows (and have, indeed, verified playback on my PC), but absolutely no green arrows/playback button for ANY of my recordings on the Premiere (not the XL mentioned above, but a separate additional TiVo box). I can stream and load to my mobile devices just fine from the Premiere, but I have no playback option from the Premiere via TiVo Online, not for any shows at all.

    Any help on this issue is greatly appreciated. I want to be able to playback content from the Premiere via TiVo Online on my LAN.
     
  18. epstewart

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    I have one beef with TiVo Online: I don't get the right aspect ratio with standard definition material. With HD, yes, but with SD, no. With SD, the picture is stretched horizontally and looks too wide. Does anyone else notice this? Does anyone know how to correct it? TIA ...
     
  19. Series3Sub

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    OK, it took several more days than the other TiVo boxes, but now I do get all my recordings at my Premiere able to playback on TiVoOnline.

    However, I can't seem to figure out how to have the playback screen fill the entire or at least almost entire PC screen. Currently, it has a box that is merely about half the real estate on the PC screen. It is hard to get immersed watching such a small portion of the screen. Is there a fix for this. I am using TiVo Stream. Thanks.
     
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  20. Series3Sub

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    I can't get the playback screen to fill my PC screen or at least fill nearly all of it. I for one have more than one beef with TiVo Online:
    1. Small screen for playback as described above.
    2. Terrible PQ and playback on my LAN with stuttering and often repeating of video/audio for a few seconds, and my LAN is all gigabit and works PERFECTLY with 2 different Slingbox's on the same LAN when I use them, and they provide FULL HD clarity for TiVo's connected to them and NO hiccups with up to 8Mpbs speed data with PERFECT PQ and playback. So far TiVo OnLine is far inferior to DishOnLine and Slingbox.

    TiVo Stream works very well with my mobile devices on my LAN with GREAT PQ and downloading. It is TiVo Online that has been the big disappointment. Any tips on getting TiVo Online to improve are welcome.
     
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