New Tivo Interface: Tivo UX

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  1. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

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    ^^ That is the current Browse TV and Movies.

    The new My Shows is seen earlier in the thread.
     
  2. bradleys

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  4. BigJimOutlaw

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    Most of the Tivo for Business site is pre-existing Rovi stuff. There's even a video "bullshot" of a Rovi UI running on a Bolt. (It's not real and just B-roll footage.)

    Some of it has the potential to be cool if integrated into the Tivo UI, such as sports scores, player stats, user profiles, etc. But that would all collectively be a massive re-coding undertaking that's unlikely to happen right away with this new UI. Tivo is slow as hell.
     
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  5. FitzAusTex

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    It's a lot tivoesque. The top tile portion was lifted directly from the current tivo central discovery bar.
     
  6. TonyD79

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    I sure as heck hope so. I am playing with Plex DVR and they use pictures for everything. That is horrible. No grid guide or listing. Just pictures of "on now" and "starting soon" with no definition of what soon is.
     
  7. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    That's the FanTV (FanTiVo?) stuff I referenced here:

    http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10997140#post10997140
     
  8. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Haha, look at that remote they're using with a Bolt, it's not even a peanut! :p
     
  9. mrizzo80

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    That looks identical to a "Browse TV & Movies" movie category layout in the current UI.

    EDIT: Missed BigJim pointing this out upthread already.

     
  10. NashGuy

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    The reason Plex DVR, HDHomeRun DVR and other software only use a picture-based program guide rather than the traditional grid for listings is because the grid is owned and patented by -- wait for it -- Rovi! So even if they got the actual listings from another company, they'd still have to pay Rovi, now TiVo, to license use of the grid guide design.
     
  11. Jed1

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    What is the old saying "something old is new again". Here is a product brochure for the new TVGuide On Screen UI that was going to be marketed to the CE manufacturers back in 2009.
    At that time Rovi was still Macrovision and this was a year or so after they purchased Gemstar. The copyright date is at the bottom left of the brochure.
    https://web.archive.org/web/2010010...n_Aug09.pdf?link_id=productsProductLiterature

    https://web.archive.org/web/2009072...de_ce/tv_guide_on_screen.htm?link_id=rightnav
    Kind of looks similar to TiVo's new UI.

    Here is the original TVGuide On Screen UI that started in 1997 and was the first Electronic Program guide on the market. This was version 9 that is embedded in both of my Pioneer Kuros. Notice the action bar on top. You don't have to leave the guide to see your recordings. In fact most of what is in TiVo Central will be found on the action bar.
    Also if you hit the info button twice the box would expand and show a list of the shows coming up on that channel for the next 12 to 24 hours.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100102175719/http://rovicorp.com/support/9466.htm

    Here is where Comcast's X1 platform came from. This was a guide Gemstar was also working on when Macrovision bought them. At that time it was known as code named "Liquid".
    Take notice what is says under Rovi, "the new name for Macrovision".
    Rovi is suing Comcast for patent violations as a lot of their X1 guide is using features from this guide including the search feature.
    https://web.archive.org/web/2010010...e_Aug09.pdf?link_id=productsProductLiterature
    https://web.archive.org/web/2009072...t_generation_media_guide.htm?link_id=rightnav

    Also both guides were incorporating a new search ideal that Gemstar came up with called "6 degrees of search". This would allow the user to search the entire TVGuide database and also OTT sites like Netflix and your cable companies VOD library.
     
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  12. TonyD79

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    And yet everyone uses it. Must not cost much.

    But there are other methods that give more data. Lists like in the paper for example. Channel by channel.

    No, they CHOSE stupid tiles. Courting the damned millennials.

    I find it almost useless with 20 channels OTA. I can't imagine more.
     
  13. lpwcomp

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    I hope to heck the TiVo live guide is still available. I don't even like the grid guide and this tile crap is much worse.
     
  14. oneprouddaddy

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    Sounds good looks horrible but we will have to wait and see
     
  15. NashGuy

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    Relative to what pay TV charges the average customer for the overall bundle of channels and boxes they provide, no, the cost to license the guide grid from Rovi probably isn't a big deal. I'm sure the cost is easily absorbed/hidden there. But relative to services like Plex DVR and HDHomeRun DVR that cost $5 or less per month, maybe not.
     
  16. Dan203

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    There could also be a large upfront cost, or minimum order, which makes the cost of entry tough for a small company. Not everyone charges a small per seat license.
     
  17. TonyD79

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    I hope you get what you want. I still want the grid guide. The live guide makes no sense to me. I want to know what is on multiple channels in the next couple hours not what is on a single channel up to 10 hours from now.
     
  18. TonyD79

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    So. Patent lengths are 20 years, right? The grid guide patent was 1996.
     
  19. DigitalDawn

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    So this is strange. I went to the TiVo preview at CEDIA yesterday and they were NOT showing the new UI. I asked about it and the booth folks told me they weren't going to show it.

    I did manage to find out that the grid guide will not be removed.
     
  20. TonyD79

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    Yay!

    But of course why would they ditch their own guide? TiVo owns that now.
     

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