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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rick123, Sep 9, 2016.
Your post was to long.
Short attention span there, Dan?
You don't have to read all the website articles that I quoted. You can just follow the links at your leisure and peruse them and see the flow, history and facts that pop out. To me the biggest is the fact that of the four major players lately in the "vision" they all seem to mention (Rovi, FanTV, TiVo and Evolution Digital)........three of the four of them are now ONE COMPANY.....the new TiVo (but actually the old Rovi as parent)!
I'll go back and maybe make the long website quotes into "spoiler tags" so you only have to see and read if you choose to. I'm sure that'll enhance the readability. Sorry, my brain thinks "technically" and I'm not the best writer nor good at putting what's jumbled in my brain into a clear and concise form in writing. In my mind it all comes together and makes sense.
Like a Borg...
I HATE those websites designed around parallax scrolling.
It's become a fad now, and I can't wait to see it die.
I'm a software developer who puts a TON of emphasis on the UI/UX of apps and I am so saddened to read the comments in this thread. "If it ain't broke don't fix it". SERIOUSLY?! I purchased my first ever tivo just a year ago and I was sorely disappointed by the UI/UX. It is extremely outdated and way too text heavy. A new interface is always scary and I don't think tivo attempting a new one should go without criticism but let's not resist change simply because it's change. I applaud tivo for attempting to enter the 21st century with a new interface.
Having got a TON of flack about the new UI in VideoReDo v5 I know what it's like to be proud of something and then have someone crap all over it because they liked the old one better. But our changes were mainly cosmetic, this looks to be a pretty substantial change to the way you use the UI, so I'm going to reserve judgement until I actually try it out.
It's an awful change to increase the Discovery Bar experience "advertising" shows it tries to put into your face (yeah, that has to be another revenue stream for TiVo: pay us and we'll promote you on our Discovery Bar). And the text portion that is to be the menu options seems purposely designed to seem far more bland than the pretty pictures. Guess where they eye is drawn to. Yeah, the Discovery Bar experience can be turned off, but I am certain the vast majority of Joe Blows, Joe Sixpack's, and Suzi Q's will have no idea that it can be turned off nor no how to turn it off. Those poor souls would have to drill down through the menus to do it and plain folk just don't do that for fear of messing up stuff.
Some of us have been using computers every day for 30+ years. Developers are always pushing GUI's but Rarely are they improvements. Fashion changes do not impress us.
Now I don't know if this is true or not, but one of the TiVo booth folks at CEDIA said the new UI wasn't coming for quite a while -- like 8 to 12 months.
That doesn't surprise me at all. At the earliest would be in January for CES, but even that would just be an announcement and not a release. I'm guessing we see it release sometime in the summer months of next year and be a Bolt exclusive. The Bolt and Roamio can both handle the latest HDUI pretty similarly, but I think the new UX will be built to take advantage of the added power of the Bolt processor.
I'd say if it ain't broke don't break it. That's what so many of these improvements do. Yes they make things look modern but they typically result in laggy loads and/or hard to navigate screens. The same is true for websites apps and device ui. I will say I loved the sd-->HD upgrade. That improved the look and usability IMHO. I'm not asking for a barren list of text in menus, I just don't want important information several screen down presses away or in submenus.
From my point of view how a UI looks is only important in regards to how it affects my ability to get done what I want to get done. Anything to do with making it look "modern" or change for the sake of change is, from my point of view, at best annoying and if it ends up making it harder to get done what I want to get done, a complete disaster.
I understand that lots of creative types don't get this point of view, but as I have said many times, I don't buy TiVos to watch the UI, the UI is simple a tool and I don't really care how it looks only how it works.
People are making a lot of assumptions about how the interface will work given only a few screenshots.
Without having a demo or user guide to confirm your worst assumptions, how about giving TiVo the benefit of the doubt on building a UI.
Developers don't push GUI's, designers do (though when developers do that's when you get something ugly and horrendous to use). I think you may have highlighted the issue though in your one sentence, 30+ years. I think the die hard tivo users just might be too old. I kid . . . sort of.
Maybe you're right. Maybe GUI's are rarely improvements. Sure, GUI's aren't even actually necessary; we could do everything from a command line if we desired. I recall my mom hating the early iterations of Microsoft Word because she used WordPerfect from DOS and just found Word too confusing because instead of all of these text menus items were obfuscated by these newfangled thingamabobs called icons. Thank God we ditched icons and never used them again. That's what a lot of people on here sound like right now without even USING the interface.
https://winworldpc.com/res/img/scre...c7cd465e0ce76fc149-WordPerfect 5.1 - Edit.png
That's a picture of what WordPerfect is and Tivo's current interface is not far from being that compared to newer UI's. It's tough getting old.
I think Tivo should just roll out the new UX moving forward with the new stuff. That way the older grouchy Tivo users don't have to "suffer" something new. New users will enjoy the new UX and find it similar to literally every other device they now use.
Yikes! I agree, that page is terrible.
Welp, there goes my theory!
Or maybe they're revamping their crappy UX they designed themselves for the last couple years and now that they're part of one company with FanTV/Rovi, they're redesigning it into.......yes........FanTiVo, as predicted!
Hey you young whipper snapper, get off my forum's lawn!!!
You may be right and I hope you are.
I guess 40 is the new old