New TiVo Bolt OTA

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  1. Sep 27, 2018 #21 of 556
    PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    And one more:

    Is it possible to start with a monthly subscription and then upgrade to the lifetime? I want to be able to take it for a test drive before committing to lifetime service.
     
  2. Sep 27, 2018 #22 of 556
    JoeKustra

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    Hi Ted, thanks for posting. I went to TiVo.com and no response to a search for Bolt OTA. It's nice to "hear" from you. Stop by more often. You know we love you. :)
     
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  3. Sep 27, 2018 #23 of 556
    DVR_Dave

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    What justifies non-OTA subscription options being more than twice as much as OTA subscriptions?
     
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  4. Sep 27, 2018 #24 of 556
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The Roamio OTA sort of removed the OTA-only pricing issue by only providing all-in service.

    Considering the lower service prices on the Bolt OTA Vox, would Tivo do anything for existing Bolt customers using OTA? Guessing not, but have to ask. Thanks for visiting us. :)
     
  5. Sep 27, 2018 #25 of 556
    krkaufman

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    Here’s hoping that’s among the goals of the new TiVo mobile app currently being beta’d. (Not that Ivotay_Edtay could say.)
     
  6. Sep 27, 2018 #26 of 556
    krkaufman

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    I’m sure the 30-day money back guarantee will still apply, but the price list doesn’t indicate any restrictions. I’m sure TiVo would love customers to start with a monthly plan before committing to All-In.

    edit: I expect TiVo would be OK upgrading customers to All-In from monthly, waving whatever months remained from the 1-year commitment.
     
  7. Sep 27, 2018 #27 of 556
    cldlhd

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    I'm relatively new to OTA but as the picture is much better I'm contemplating buying this and dropping cable. The problem is in order to get the channels I'd miss I'd get something like HULU, Sling or Youtube TV, so far the one I like best is Youtube TV but since but since that comes with local channels it makes the Bolt DVR seem a bit expensive for just the benefit of a better picture than Youtube TV in regard to local channels.
     
  8. Sep 27, 2018 #28 of 556
    TiVo_Ted

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    We are keeping an eye on the ATSC 3.0 trials that are happening in Chicago and elsewhere. They're still using Korea standard gear, and consumer grade components will not be available for a while. My guess is that retail ATSC 3.0 devices won't be available until 2020. If we can support an ATSC 3.0 tuner via USB, we will certainly give that a try. We are happy to sell accessories (WiFi adapters, BT dongles, MOCA bridges, etc.) when it makes sense. With a large installed base of BOLT units, it would seem like a good way to jump-start ATSC 3.0 providing that BOLT can handle the decode. There are a bunch of open questions surrounding video format, video transport, security, etc.
     
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  9. Sep 27, 2018 #29 of 556
    TiVo_Ted

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    Yes, the press release went out today, but our website doesn't update until tonight :(
     
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  10. Sep 27, 2018 #30 of 556
    TiVo_Ted

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    FYI, our new iOS mobile app should drop over the weekend (version 4.1)
     
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  11. Sep 27, 2018 #31 of 556
    TiVo_Ted

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    Part of the reason that MINI is more expensive than other streamers is that we support native streaming of MPEG2 up to 19Mbps and multiple forms of cable grade security to achieve CableLabs certification, rotating live security keys, etc. We also support smooth 1x FF, QuickMode, SkipMode, etc. All of this is much harder to do with transcoded HLS streams. Our goal with the MINI was to make it feel as close as possible to the experience you get on the host DVR - same UI, same remote, etc.

    As I said when we pulled down our old Fire TV app, we are working on a new set of "soft MINI" clients that will support Apple TV, Roku and Fire TV devices. For people that don't mind 720p60 video streams, this should be a good option for them. I don't have timing on those apps yet, but it should be sometime during the first half of next year.
     
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  12. Sep 27, 2018 #32 of 556
    jth tv

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    They have to fix the Amazon Description header to make it VERY clear that a:

    "Monthly Subscription is Required"

    When Amazon doesn't and they've done that before, TiVo gets tons of one star ratings from people who get very angry and say they did not know about the monthly cost when they bought the TiVo.
     
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  13. Sep 27, 2018 #33 of 556
    Mikeguy

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    Of course, Ted, we will hold you to that in 2020+. ;)
     
  14. Sep 27, 2018 #34 of 556
    OrangeCrush

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    Good to hear--is that going to be compatible with TE3 or require an update to TE4? Also, anything you can share about the Android app?
     
  15. Sep 27, 2018 #35 of 556
    robojerk

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    I don't know. I love TiVo, but that price. There are other options that cost the same or are cheaper and don't "require" a subscription, monthly or lifetime. I feel like if they had made an OTA tuner that includes MP4 (or h265) streaming to 3rd party devices like to a Roku/Shield/FireTV with all the same features Tivo has maybe they could justify it. I think currently Tivo's competition in the OTA market will catch up, especially as the TiVo's patents expire.
     
  16. Sep 27, 2018 #36 of 556
    Mikeguy

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    Just an additional data point: a TiVo Bolt OTA also brings with it the TiVo peanut remote. Not to be overlooked. As well as, the various TiVo functionalities such as SkipMode and QuickMode, and other forms of TiVo trickplay. To me, they're each worth real $.
     
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  17. Sep 27, 2018 #37 of 556
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I saw the 7x thing mentioned in an article as well... Is this correct? Shown in an old Bolt teardown is a BCM7449 which is clocked at 12,000 DMIPS vs. the Roamio's 3,000 DMIPS. Is the Bolt OTA using a new CPU?

    If you upgraded to the 7445 or equivalent to get to 7x (21,000 dmips) that would be noteworthy for sure.
     
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  18. Sep 27, 2018 #38 of 556
    jedimindtrick

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    Yes! An answer to this question would be most helpful.

    I bought (and continue to use) a 500GB Tivo BOLT with my exclusively OTA setup. I paid more for the device than this new offering and am paying way more for each year's annual service.

    So can I pay the $69.99 annual service for my BOLT? I don't need guide data for anything but for the few local channels I get.
     
  19. Sep 27, 2018 #39 of 556
    PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    I suppose Atmos is asking too much. :)
     
  20. Sep 27, 2018 #40 of 556
    jhhyde

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    now if we could only get some proper support when we report OTA guide data issues. i have been trying to get some updates for over a year. nothing ever happens.
     
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