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New TiVo Bolt OTA

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by davezatz, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. Oct 2, 2018 #301 of 532
    tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    As I am entitled to mine.

    Early adopters always pay more. If you don't like paying more for technology, then you should always wait a few years until prices drop.
     
  2. Oct 2, 2018 #302 of 532
    Mikeguy

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    The use is the same (with one caveat, mentioned below). And physically and apart from hard drive sizes, the Bolt OTA is the same as the original Bolt for OTA, with the exception that the Bolt OTA does not have a cable card adapter built in (it's unnecessary, of course) and does not have MoCA hardware/capability built in (this could matter to some people).

    But it's the additional subscription pricing that is majorly different: with the new Bolt OTA, you can get All-In (Lifetime) for $250, or monthly (1-year minimum) at $7/month / annual at $70; with the original Bolt being used for OTA, those "discounted," lower rates are not available--e.g. All-In, as you just discovered, is significantly more expensive, at $550 (prices rounded here).

    That's been the appeal of the "OTA-dedicated" boxes: the significantly lower total price after factoring in All-In (or now, with the Bolt OTA, factoring in the lower price of a monthly or annual subscription).
     
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  3. Oct 2, 2018 #303 of 532
    TeamPace

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    The $399 TiVo OTA also includes "All In" aka Lifetime. $100 difference may not seem like a big deal but when I suggest a TiVo to new cord cutters they are very reluctant to spend $399. $500.00 will completely turn them off.
     
  4. Oct 2, 2018 #304 of 532
    TeamPace

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    Not to mention a slew of sub channels which some of us do record. Having all four tuners in use can be a regular occurance with us. We get by anyway just by making sure we prioritize our One Pass list to not miss the most important shows.
     
  5. Oct 2, 2018 #305 of 532
    just4tivo

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    The difference in cost between a Roamio OTA and the new Bolt OTA is a question the buyer must resolve... BUT bear in mind there still seems to be a difference in reception between those two models and that might be important depending on location.
     
  6. Oct 2, 2018 #306 of 532
    just4tivo

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    For those bailing on cable/sat who pay a lot monthly for those services the $100 difference between TiVos may be less of a concern for the months it will take to recover their TiVo investment.

    For those just OTA people who are wanting a DVR the $100 difference may be important.

    If the Bolt OTA can receive stations as well as the Roamio OTA that's great but it is all we have available.
     
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  7. Oct 2, 2018 #307 of 532
    Bigg

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    A heck of a lot less than for the equivalent amount of cable or satellite TV, that's for sure! I have Netflix, my parents have HBO, I use their HBO Go, my dad uses my Netflix, and Amazon Prime Video is basically free, since Amazon Prime the shipping service is basically like running water at this point. I will subscribe to Showtime and Hulu individually when I want to binge show from those channels and then drop them afterwards.
     
  8. Oct 2, 2018 #308 of 532
    krkaufman

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    Of course, the BOLT OTA can be had for just $250 at full price, then $7/month or $70/year ... giving 3 to 3 1/2 year’s service before eating-up the $250 All-In fee (or approx. 2 years before hitting the Roamio OTA cost).
     
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  9. Oct 2, 2018 #309 of 532
    TeamPace

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    Just bought two new Roamio OTA Vox from Best Buy. Wanted to grab them while they're still available. Unfortunately I've had significant OTA reception issues with Bolt.
     
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  10. Oct 2, 2018 #310 of 532
    just4tivo

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    According to my math "a heck of a lot less" doesn't equal OTA for free?
     
  11. Oct 3, 2018 #311 of 532
    Mikeguy

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    It is a psychological issue, isn't it. $500 (ok, $499.99; but then, there may be significant tax, depending on the location) just feels like a lot, and a major jump from sub-$400, which just feels easier to stomach. (And I'm not meaning to suggest that it isn't a lot in actuality as well--and after all, for most people, this is "just" a time-shifting and recording device, although not meaning to demean the remote--a marvel--and the various forms of trickplay, including SkipMode, QuickMode, and the 8-second rewind.)
     
  12. Oct 3, 2018 #312 of 532
    wizwor

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    For OTA, TiVo should offer a PSIP powered 'low end' DVR with no connectivity requirements and charge a premium service fee that adds other features to the same hardware. Among the 'other features' would be hardware repair/replacement.
     
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  13. Oct 3, 2018 #313 of 532
    krkaufman

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    TiVo seems too tied to leveraging their customers for ad revenue to give up the live connection.

    (Extended warranty and Continual Care at already cover the repair/replacement angle.)
     
  14. Oct 3, 2018 #314 of 532
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    fredi

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    I bought my first TiVo Series 2 in January 2003 with Lifetime Service, six months later they offered to copy the Lifetime Service over if I bought another Series 2. A few years later they made the same offer if I purchased a HD TiVo. When they killed off the Amazon app they offered me a Roamio Plus with free lifetime service. I recently traded in my two Series2 for 4-Tuner Bolts. I think I've done OK.
     
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    Sparky1234

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    Sparky1234

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    I've managed to pay my Lifetime / All in service forward as well.
     
  18. Oct 3, 2018 #318 of 532
    NashGuy

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    So it's Arris, as we all figured. Good to know.

    When supplies of the Roamio OTA became very scarce in late summer, I figured that product was being discontinued and that it would be replaced with a new product manufactured by the new outside partner.

    I also figured that the replacement product probably wouldn't be offered only with lifetime service included, like the Roamio OTA had been for the past couple years. Because if Arris is only making a profit on hardware sales (with TiVo taking in all of the service fee revenue), then it's not in Arris's interest to inflate the base price of the device by forcing lifetime service on the buyer. Pricing the Bolt OTA at $500 (with lifetime included) would, I assume, result in no more profit per box sold for Arris but it would almost certainly result in fewer boxes sold than if the product were priced like it is, at $250 with service fees charged separately at various price points for monthly, annually and lifetime.
     
  19. Oct 3, 2018 #319 of 532
    Charles R

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    A PSIP version would give them very few sales and "tarnish" the TiVo brand. The average consumer wouldn't put up with PSIP for a day... even most nerds wouldn't... I certainly punted once I saw what was available locally.
     
  20. Oct 3, 2018 #320 of 532
    PJO1966

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    Unsurprisingly, the indoor antenna did next to nothing. I have an antenna being installed on the roof this Saturday. For now, the Bolt is being used in place of a Mini to stream from my Roamio. I actually like the Hydra interface. The back button will take some getting used to, but I think it looks great.
     

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