New TE4 update starting to roll out

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVo_Ted, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. Apr 28, 2018 #81 of 448

    wtherrell Active Member

    Dec 23, 2004


    But a wrong assumption.
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  2. Apr 28, 2018 #82 of 448

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    What that a database change is the reason why you have to reset when you go back? Seems like a very valid reason to me and we already know there is a database difference as Ted indicated we need a database change on our gen3 TiVo's to support the IFTTT Autoskip.

  3. Apr 28, 2018 #83 of 448

    BobCamp1 Well-Known Member

    May 15, 2002
    TivoTed has said as much. Of course, Tivo COULD put resources into creating a tool that converts the new database back into the old format so you wouldn't have to lose recordings when you rolled back. I know why they didn't do it -- why dedicate resources to that when you expect most people will love the new user experience? But I know they also did their homework and realized that a lot of DirecTV users hated their upgrade, so maybe a lot of Tivo users might want to roll back.

    But then again, only the retail users would want to roll back and they're already losing the company money. So screw them. Tivo doesn't care they were their long time customers, they should be thankful they even have an option to roll back.
  4. Apr 28, 2018 #84 of 448

    BobCamp1 Well-Known Member

    May 15, 2002
    How bad does the GUI need to be for the company to even offer a roll back feature or make it opt in? When other companies have tried that kind of interface on a DVR and have had strong, negative feedback, why did Tivo release their version of it full of bugs? We're not talking about perfection, but rather far from it. We're talking about Minis not communicating, showing the wrong information in the info bar, not showing certain channels in the guide, and even creating new bugs in the Encore interface! So even people who knew better and stuck with Encore still got bugs courtesy of Hydra!

    Plus, it's currently optional, but it could just as easily become mandatory in the future.

    Tivo used their long time customers as alpha testers without much warning, which is bad because those customers paid for that equipment themselves. And it wasn't cheap. Those customers assumed there would be a few minor problems (i.e. beta testing), but they got a lot more than they bargained for. It made them finally realize what you've said in other posts -- Tivo doesn't care about their retail customers anymore. They are simply free alpha and beta testers for their MSO customers. And I think that realization is part of where that anger is coming from.
  5. Apr 28, 2018 #85 of 448

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY


    Does this update return the Sort by Channel Name option to the Guide?
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  6. Apr 28, 2018 #86 of 448
    John Gillespie

    John Gillespie Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2016
    Can't wait to get it. I've been really happy with Hydra, I look forward to every iterative update.
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  7. Apr 28, 2018 #87 of 448

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    Shhhh. You must be wrong. Because dozens of users have switched back.

    Whoever mockingly said TiVo users hate change was actually right even though he claimed it was a myth of sorts. Follow the nonsense about the left arrow for proof of the “myth” that TiVo users are pigheaded.
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  8. Apr 28, 2018 #88 of 448

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Sorry, but: not liking a devolution of features does not mean that one does not like change.

    Well, come to think of it, it can: as to non-advantageous change. ;)
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  9. Apr 28, 2018 #89 of 448

    Sixto Member TCF Club

    Sep 16, 2005
    With the new update, are single recordings still in a folder?
  10. Apr 29, 2018 #90 of 448

    tim_m Active Member

    Mar 8, 2017
    I can definitely vouch for that. I was a gunea pig for FIOS Quantum. I got it very early on and it was painfully bad for over a year.
  11. Apr 29, 2018 #91 of 448

    tim_m Active Member

    Mar 8, 2017
    One thing i haven't seen mentioned in this for those who were lucky enough to get it first, is the wrong channel bar info on mini's fixed?
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  12. Apr 29, 2018 #92 of 448

    gbenrus25 Member

    Nov 1, 2017
    LOL @ this thread...
  13. Apr 29, 2018 #93 of 448

    gbenrus25 Member

    Nov 1, 2017
    I used Encore 3 years ago for about 3 months and never actually liked the interface (and didn't need to get used to it). I then switched to Xfinity and much preferred their X1 interface. Switched to FiOS and hated the interface so switched to TiVO. While Hydra has its issues, I definitely prefer it to Encore and tbh, it's more with the graphical times. For a new user to TiVo, the Hydra interface is much easier to use than Encore. Of course for old timers, Encore is king because of all the features and shortcuts etc.

    Maybe my best analogy would be iPhoto vs Apple Photos. iPhoto was a great tool for the power user in terms of manipulating pictures. Photos replaced it with a nicer and easier to use interface but most iPhoto users weren't pleased because Photos was also less functional. However, the reality is Photos was always going to be easier to use for newcomers. I see Hydra in a very similar way. Old timers upset, newcomers pleased. Companies nowadays tend to move with getting new entries (cable customers) and especially if your old timers are no longer contributing to revenue!
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  14. Apr 29, 2018 #94 of 448

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007
    How can anyone say we don't like change because we did not like Hydra. We changed to Hydra to try it! If someone does not like change, they don't change to try it!
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  15. Apr 29, 2018 #95 of 448

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

    Nov 2, 2017
    The users that hate hydra remind me of myself when I couldn't see why anyone would use Windows 3.1 instead of DOS. Windows 3.1 was slow and all it gave was 'pretty pictures' DOS was all that was needed in the early 90's
    Later Apple switched to Intel and had "BootCamp". Loved the new Black MacBooks (still have it :)), and planned on using it only for Windows, but playing with OS X Tiger slowly moved me away from Windows.

    I'm a new Tivo Users (got my 1st Tivo in Nov), so I stayed with Hydra (didn't downgrade), and it does what I want — record and commercial skip. I did have problems at first (Pink Screen and HDMI Handshake issues), but those have been resolved.
  16. Apr 29, 2018 #96 of 448

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    I think Win 7 vs. Win 8 is a better analogy. When Win 8 came out, it was new and slick and modern, but also dumbed down, buggy and missing a ton of features. Yes, it was mostly functional, but overall, worse than its predecessor in many ways. Fast forward to Win 10, most missing features have been added back, bugs fixed, etc., making it a worthy upgrade. Hydra is still in the Win 8 stage. Mira is Win 8.1. When Mira 2.0 comes along, maybe that will be in Win 10 territory. As an early adopter kind of guy, in spite of the drawbacks, I've suffered through Hydra and Mira and will hang in there for the next, hopefully better, version.
  17. Apr 29, 2018 #97 of 448

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Hydra isn't so cattywampus defective that it's irredeemable. It's like 80% of the way there.

    The things haters want are the same things most people who like Hydra would probably like too. The only difference is that the missing/broken things are more disqualifying to some people than others.
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  18. Apr 29, 2018 #98 of 448
    cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2005
    I’d switch to Hydra today if I could transfer shows from PC to TiVo with it.
  19. Apr 29, 2018 #99 of 448

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006

    why would you need to transfer shows?
  20. stile99

    stile99 Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2002
    Why does that matter?
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