New Star Trek series

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Tsiehta, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. Rob Helmerichs

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    Interesting. You made an unsupported assertion. He showed evidence that the basis for your assertion was wrong. You claimed victory.
     
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  2. DG3

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    Linking a couple of generic articles nonspecific to the actual film isn't really evidence, but if it's evidence you want:

    It’s Official, ‘Star Trek Beyond’ Is A Box Office Flop
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    So now you're citing an article that suggests it at least broke even, and claiming victory.

    I guess you just can't lose!
     
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  4. DG3

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    Robby, breaking even is NOT making a profit. Jesus.
     
  5. BrettStah

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    Breaking even is also not losing money.
     
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  6. DG3

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    Arguing with fragile Trek nerds that don't want to hear anything negative. My Tuesday is not off to a productive start.
     
  7. dwatt

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    Losing said argument makes it even worse. ;)
     
  8. BrettStah

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    I think we may be participating in different discussions here. I didn't really even like Star Trek Beyond. I just pointed out to you that movie theaters don't get to keep 50% of ticket revenue. Do you still think that movie theaters keep 50% of ticket revenue?
     
  9. eddyj

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    So you get proven wrong, and went to attack the posters. Nice.
     
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  10. zordude

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    They made some assumptions that turned out to be wrong...

    Except as mentioned, it made 340+ million worldwide.
     
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  11. Mikeguy

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    Excuse me, but: why would your originally unsupported post be entitled to more belief than others' views? (And while your subsequent single linked reference is nice to read, it is far from any conclusive analysis, and was from early on.) Are you an accountant who worked on the production of the film who has special knowledge about its profitability or not? ;) And casting that sad "fragile Trek nerds" dreck certainly doesn't bolster your position.
     
  12. Saturn_V

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    Obvious Troll is Obvious.
     
  13. JYoung

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    To be fair, the "common wisdom" I've heard from those in the industry is that a movie needs to gross twice it's production budget to be considered as making a profit.

    According to Box office Mojo, Beyond grossed $343,471,816 worldwide while costing $185,000,000 to make.

    In theory, Beyond would need to gross $370,000,000 to break even and it's about $26,528,184 short.
    Now home video and streaming revenue may have made up for that shortfall but Beyond certainly wasn't as profitable as the previous two movies.

    For arguments sake, let's say that Beyond broke even. That still puts it in a precarious position in terms of making future sequels.

    I suspect that Paramount will take a hard look and the financials and make another movie with stricter financial controls and stipulations because they probably consider the Star Trek brand to be too valuable just to sit there and languish.

    But there's no guarantee that Paramount will continue the voyages of the JJ-Prise after Beyond.
    They could decide to reboot the franchise again or decline to pursue future Star Trek films.
     
  14. vertigo235

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    Please take the Star Trek Beyond discussion to the Star Trek Beyond thread
     
  15. bicker

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    From a viewer's perspective perhaps. From a business perspective the most likely scenario is that they're doing the right thing and the second most likely scenario is that there's no good way to make money in the United States and so they might as well pack it in and invest their money in some other direction. Whatever you would have had them do instead is perhaps a distant third.

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  16. BrettStah

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    So they think that enough will subscribe to their All Access service to make it a better business decision than getting advertising revenue on the broadcast network? Maybe so, I don't know the details enough to know, but if I had to guess, I'd think they'd get a much larger audience, and thus decent revenue, from the broadcast option. Plus that larger audience leads to potential spin-off opportunities, etc. But I'm definitely willing to admit to not having all of the details.
    That doesn't really ring true to me - media companies are making tons of money in the US.
     
  17. bicker

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    You are bargaining as in one of the stages of grief.

    Which is one reason that I suggested that the most likely scenario was that they were doing the right thing.



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  18. BrettStah

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    No grief... I'm going watch the show via their free trial (unless it is universally panned as horrible), but I think it has a better chance of success at CBS, Netflix, or Hulu. If it is cancelled I'll somehow manage to continue living.
     
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  19. bicker

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    Uh huh.
     
  20. BrettStah

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    Yep
     

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