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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Feb 12, 2007.
It's something that we want too, but it's not in this release.
Strange, my understanding is that any device that uses CableCards must be certified by Cable Labs - so how could Verizon be using cable cards without certification???
Tivo's stand on htis is very distressing. I purchase of 2 S3s the week they're released, lifetime service on one, a 3-year prepay on the other, and now, 5 months after purchasing them, after numerous go-arounds with Tivo tech support where they promise a fix, now I find out I'm out of luck?
If this is the case, I'm afraid I'll have to dump the tivos, and recommend avoiding them to every FIOS user I know. It's sad - I've been a tivo customer since the very first DirecTV model. FIOS is getting terrific market penetration here in Manhattan Beach - I have to expect that will be the case in other cities as it's rolled out nationwide.
As much as I like the Tivo, I'm not going back to DirecTV or cable. The FIOS picture, the phone line quality, and 15Mbit internet feeds for $45/month won't offset the Tivo advantages.
Well, this is more than a bit of a shock.
Verizon Fios is fibre to the house instead of fibre to the head-end, but my understanding is that once it leaves the ONT it is considered cable and is covered by all the FCC rules that apply to cable.
Considering that Verizon Fios seems to be the only cable company not going to SDV, I thought Tivo would be thrilled to support Verison Fios.
I guess I was wrong.
I am using my S3 with a 60" Sony SXRD HDTV connected via HDMI using 1080i fixed. I don't see any visual difference between 8.1.1 and the previous version.
That is something I hope they address though.
It's funny - I had Comcast before, and had a lot of problems with channels going blank, pixelization and audio drop-outs. I've since switched to FIOS and all of those problems went away.
And they very well might be; but from the sound of TiVoPony's post, it's not up to TiVo... if Verizon doesn't submit their systems to CableLabs for certification.
So perhaps you might consider revising that statement:
"Considering that CableLab certification is required for any of these next-gen cable box DVR's to work properly, I thought Verizon would be thrilled to submit their systems for certification."
In fact, considering that they haven't, I'd color myself happy and surprised that the S3 works with it at all.
(Phew. I finally found a reason to not be jealous of folks with FIOS. )
That's really too bad. I'd rather have clear QAM mapping than any of the "features" added to this release.
I don't care about MRV, and external Drive. I just want basic functionality. QAM mapping without a cable card is a basic feature, Tivo should get those right before adding all the bells and whistles...
Is there an HD DVR out there currently that does work perfectly and officially with FIOS? I'm not familiar with Verizon's offerrings... do they offer a set-top box with time-shifting capabilities?
8.1 bug fix news: The issues with Audio dropouts during program menu scrolling appears to be fixed - I have not experienced any audio dropouts!!!
I have FIOS and I am likely to get TiVo's in the future. Your anger is misdirected, I believe. Standards exist for a reason. If Verizon chooses to ignore them, you should be angry with them NOT Tivo.
I am using the Tivo Multi-room DVR and look forward to the day I can spend the money to go back to Tivo. (I had DirecTivo's until I switched to FIOS)
I totally agree. At the risk of repeating myself , here is what I posted in a different thread:
Seems to me TiVo is missing a significant market segment: Existing HDTV owners who have built-in QAM tuners in their set, and who have decided that the network majors comprise enough HD for them and who aren't willing to pay more to their cable companies for any sort of digital cable. Such a consumer almost certainly won't have any HD DVR solution today, so there isn't any incumbent to replace. They simply want to be able to record the HD that they are watching right now, today, by tuning into unencrypted QAM channels. There is no option today for such a consumer: they can't get an HD DVR from their cable company without upgrading to digital cable, and the S3 is seriously broken for them because of the lack of guide data/Season Pass/Wishlist/etc.
TiVo could serve a very large market of consumers who would be a captive audience (no other options), if only they would fix this.
My town is very close to getting FIOS TV. I've been holding off upgrading my S2's to S3's until it was in place, and I could say goodbye to Charter. I just managed to get buy-in to spending the money from my wife.
Now I find out Tivo doesn't support FIOS. This really sucks.
Well, that would be good news. That's my number one issue!
TiVo would also have to drop the price of the Series 3 substantially as well. I can't imagine the people who don't want to pay for cable would be willing to shell out $650 plus a subscription fee for a Series 3.
in the general forum (EDIT, this forum), there's another fios thread where tivojerry is working with fios users to resolve their issues.. so.. perhaps there is some confusion as to how much tivo supports fios..
My number 1 issue is the audio dropout and pixelation problem supposedly caused by mpeg decoding issues. Hopefully its fixed in 8.1. However.... I dont have 8.1 yet... Ive forced connections several times but to no avail....
They call up Motorola and ask them to send over a big ol' box full of cable cards. Then they do whatever the hell they want with them.
Cable Labs certification is for derailing or otherwise stalling products that want to use cable-supplied cablecards to access digital cable content on member cable systems.
The MSOs have, as we have seen over and over again, no obligation to implement them properly or with anything but the most grudging, negligent support.
This is just silly. Tivo doesn't need CableLab's permission to support FIOS. Whether they support it or not is totally up to them. Too bad they've chosen not to.
Perhaps Verizon doesn't have a choice in the matter:
Ever, or just in this release?
Please keep in mind that there are a number of S3 users who already have FIOS and that the original question was around an issue where Fast Forward acts a little oddly on just a few channels. It wasn't a statement of complete incompatability.
TiVoPony's quote is an "if/then" statement:
And as tomryan points out, I am working to get an understanding of the issue from those who reported it. terramar and acvthree are just two of the posters I am working with.