New Series3 Update

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Feb 12, 2007.

  1. Feb 15, 2007 #381 of 1039

    ncbagwell New Member

    Feb 15, 2005
    Cary, NC


    While we have TivoPony’s attention on this thread, here’s something I’ve been wondering about TivoToGo support on the S3. It seems to me that “TivoToGo” is sometimes used as an all-encompassing term for the following features:

    1 – Moving shows from the S3 to your PC. This breaks down into a couple of categories:
    A – Shows recorded via Cable Cards
    i –SD shows
    ii – HD shows
    B – Shows NOT recorded via Cable Cards
    i –SD analog cable content
    ii – OTA HD content

    2 – Moving shows from other Tivos to the S3 (aka MRV)

    3 – Moving shows from the S3 to other Tivos (aka MRV). Shows again break into these categories:
    A – Shows recorded via Cable Cards
    i –SD shows
    ii – HD shows (obviously wouldn’t work on Series 2 Tivos)
    B – Shows NOT recorded via Cable Cards
    i –SD analog cable content
    ii – OTA HD content (also wouldn’t work on Series 2 Tivos)

    4 – Moving shows/video from your PC to the S3 (aka TivoToComeBack).

    When TivoPony says that they are working on it, I would like to know if it is an all or nothing proposition or will we get pieces of the above rolled out over time. For example, if I could only have #2 in my list above, I would be extremely happy. Next would be #4.
  2. Feb 15, 2007 #382 of 1039

    andyisc00l New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Hey !!! Was thinking about getting an S3 but remembered that it might get replaced in august or something...? Anyone heard anything...? Couldn't find much with CES darn...
  3. Feb 15, 2007 #383 of 1039

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002

    June 30, 2007


    The over under is the date that 50% it could happen before and 50% is could happen after- No? (not a big gambler so I'm thinking that's what we'de mean...)

    Kidding aside- I'm thinking the mid year 2007 update will have TTG and MRV for analog and ATSC content. (without HD being able to transfer to s2's). If we hit the comeplete jackpot and tivo gets their DRM (tivogaurd?) approved by cablelabs then digital cable content will also be allowed to get moved to other S3's and vista pc's.

    The only comment from tivo about timeframes was an interview at CES where one of the engineers said basically the above and that the timeframe was months.

    search for Jim Denney on the boards here and you can find the link the the interview with him with the specifics.

    So the question is when will the mid-year 2007 update for the s3 come out. I guess the fact that 8.1 is a couple months late should be factored in. (implied that it would be out by year end 2006 and just coming out now). So maybe July 30th is a better 50/50 date.

    JMHO- no need to throw stones- LOL
  4. Feb 15, 2007 #384 of 1039

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002

    Search for the Jim Denney interview (might be spelling it incorrectly)- He specifically said that he wanted to "set the expectation" that the A content and the B content in your examples above would likely "be handled differently" - If I'm remembering his words correctly.
  5. Feb 15, 2007 #385 of 1039

    matt8268 New Member

    Nov 27, 2006


    SCSIRAID, I experience the exact glitch you describe, where the audio drops out, then a burst of pixelation. If you showed this doesn't happen on an 8300 being fed the same signal, that means it's something with the Tivo (my guess would be when the hard drive skips a beat because it's overloaded).

    Also, I must comment on this:
    "TiVo doesn't have release notes because 'it is not a computer'"

    Tivo not a computer...what a joke. Also, Tivo runs software...which has releases...which usually do in fact have release notes. I'm sure Tivo has their reasons for keeping this private, but I would think it would be in their best interest to share this info.
  6. Feb 15, 2007 #386 of 1039

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Curious -- where in the Tivo UI would I see that it had downloaded the update and was pending restart? (Since I'm recording at 2AM, I want to do it myself.)

    On my S1s, it would be in the (paraphrase) "phone information" page IIRC.

    On the S3, the various information is in different places. I'm suspecting the "Phone & Network" page, which shows at the very top last call/last successful call, or the "System Information" screen.
  7. Feb 15, 2007 #387 of 1039

    bsd New Member

    Sep 30, 2002
    New York,...
    See the system information screen where it says "status".
  8. Feb 15, 2007 #388 of 1039

    TydalForce Active Member

    Feb 8, 2006
    you want the Phone & Network screen.... where it shows the last call time, and usually says "Succeeded", will instead say "Pending Restart"
  9. Feb 15, 2007 #389 of 1039

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY
    Still nothing for me :(
  10. Feb 15, 2007 #390 of 1039

    kucharsk Member

    Feb 2, 2007
    Nor here. I suspect as I theorized earlier that now that a day's scheduled connections have occurred, all S3s that will get the update this week have, and those of us who haven't are stuck until TiVo "flips the switch" for the balance of the S3 community. :(
  11. Feb 15, 2007 #391 of 1039

    ingenue007 UNLUCKY W/TW AUSTIN

    Aug 22, 2005
    ive forced update mine many times and dont have the 8.1 update. and my router just died today. i guess i won't be updating until new router comes.
  12. Feb 16, 2007 #392 of 1039

    Animgif Stud, Esquire

    Jan 4, 2002
    The City So...
    I keep hoping to come home to 8.1...haven't yet either :(
  13. Feb 16, 2007 #393 of 1039

    Fofer Bo55man69

    Oct 29, 2000

    Well I tried this, and seriously it made no difference whatsoever.

    All I want is a "Now Playing" menu that draws as quickly as my Series 2 (and Series 1!) did. Right now it seems to draw 1/3 of the screen at a time... it feels like a very sluggish computer. :(
  14. Feb 16, 2007 #394 of 1039

    kucharsk Member

    Feb 2, 2007
    Well for those of us who've never had anything but an S3 I have no problems whatsoever with how fast the Now Playing screen draws or even with the speed of Find by Title; in fact I'm still impressed it all works at all. ;)

    If the graphics are directly out of a frame buffer, the screen draw could be slower because it's drawing an HD screen. I haven't tried setting the output to 480i to see if that theory is at all true…
  15. Feb 16, 2007 #395 of 1039

    Saxion Substantive Member

    Sep 17, 2006
    San Diego
    Sorry it didn't help you. :( It made my screen redraws (like paging through the Now Playing list) snappier. Yes, it does disable the Aspect control, which I never use anyway. YMMV.
  16. Feb 16, 2007 #396 of 1039

    Saxion Substantive Member

    Sep 17, 2006
    San Diego
    The menus are 720p when set to Widescreen, but 480i when set to SmartScreen. That's what makes them draw a bit faster.
  17. Feb 16, 2007 #397 of 1039

    ewilts Who, me?

    Feb 26, 2002
    Mounds View, MN
    Use the phone, Luke, use the phone! Seriously, just connect a phone line if you can and the TiVo will get the updates through that when it's darn good and ready (mine hasn't downloaded it yet through broadband either). No reason why you shouldn't at least get guide data for now anyway.

  18. Feb 16, 2007 #398 of 1039

    hookbill Feathered Member

    Dec 14, 2001
    Northeast Ohio
    TiVoPony said that if you force updates you get sent to the back of the pack. Now he may have been joking and probably was, still I'm just going to wait for it to get here.

    That doesn't mean of course that I'm not looking daily to see if I have "pendng restart" message. :)
  19. Feb 16, 2007 #399 of 1039
    George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

    Jan 30, 2003
    I am sure it wouldn't hurt if you forced a download a few times a day. Just don't bang on it like a lab rat hitting the feeder bar in a cage. :)
  20. Feb 16, 2007 #400 of 1039

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    My Now playing list shows up fast. I certainly don't have to wait for it. I just tried it with folders off. With around 60 titles. It's very fast. I have no complaints. It definitely faster then the HR10-250. I have to wait a half second for those boxes.

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