New Series3 Update

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Feb 12, 2007.

  1. Feb 14, 2007 #221 of 1039

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY


    Forcing update.... no update for me yet...
  2. Feb 14, 2007 #222 of 1039

    minckster New Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    Manhattan NYC
    I would like this too, but wonder if TiVo is reluctant to provide a method with which the really motivated could avoid a service update indefinitely - for example, by replying every time the box asks, "I'm watching now. Install the update later."
  3. Feb 14, 2007 #223 of 1039

    hookbill Feathered Member

    Dec 14, 2001
    Northeast Ohio
    George last report I saw you still were not receiving TiVoCast. Did you find it, and is it working?

    Just curious and if you answered already on this I apologize for the duplicate post. There have been quite a few of those on this thread. :)
  4. Feb 14, 2007 #224 of 1039
    Mike Farrington

    Mike Farrington Lost Member

    Nov 16, 2000
    If someone has the energy to babysit their TiVo 24x7, then all the power to them.
  5. Feb 14, 2007 #225 of 1039

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

    Sep 21, 2005


    Somewhere in here Tivo-someone posted that TivoCast wasn't quite ready isn't included (but expected soon).

    Edit: Found it:
  6. Feb 14, 2007 #226 of 1039

    Fofer Bo55man69

    Oct 29, 2000
    I believe TiVoCast software actually is included in the update but Series 3 boxes won't have the ability to subscribe to anything (ie: see it in their menu) until TiVo pulls some other switch sometime soon.
  7. Feb 14, 2007 #227 of 1039

    hookbill Feathered Member

    Dec 14, 2001
    Northeast Ohio
    Thanks guys. I actually did read that but forgot. :eek:
  8. Feb 14, 2007 #228 of 1039

    Animgif Stud, Esquire

    Jan 4, 2002
    The City So...
    Still no update for me...I'm holding out hope for it soon!
  9. Feb 14, 2007 #229 of 1039

    hookbill Feathered Member

    Dec 14, 2001
    Northeast Ohio
    I haven't got mine yet either but keep in mind that only a limited releases are going out this week. Probably you will receive it next week.

    Still, I'm checking daily. :) I'm not forcing anymore calls however. I figure when it gets here it gets here. I'm pretty happy with the way its working now anyway.
  10. Feb 14, 2007 #230 of 1039

    SCSIRAID Active Member

    Feb 2, 2003
    Vero Beach, FL
    Me either.... You'd think they would want folks with open service tickets to get the code and see if their issue is fixed.
  11. Feb 14, 2007 #231 of 1039

    hookbill Feathered Member

    Dec 14, 2001
    Northeast Ohio
    No priority list per Pony.

    You'd think they would want to get it to me just because, well, I'm me! :D

    Seriously SCISRAID you've been around a bit. You know how these things go. Think about if it was like a Series 2 update it may take months. In a sense we're lucky.
  12. Feb 14, 2007 #232 of 1039

    Animgif Stud, Esquire

    Jan 4, 2002
    The City So...
    That is the benefit of there only being a few Series 3 TiVo units out there.
  13. Feb 14, 2007 #233 of 1039

    Adam1115 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Dec 15, 2003
    Denver ish
    No, the cablecard does not do the 'exact same thing.'

    You do NOT need a cablecard to tune your local digital channels. You also don't need them to get guide data on a QAM capable TV. It really isn't they cable companies responsibility to provide cablecards as a workaround to a technical limitation of the Series3.

    The ONLY reason they should be providing cablecards is if you subscribe to a encrypted digital package, which needs decrypted, which is what the cablecards are for...
  14. Feb 14, 2007 #234 of 1039

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    Actually, you will need CableCards to get guide data from your cable provider.

    Currently, displays are unidirectional OpenCable, which means they can't pull guide information from the cable provider regardless. The unidirectional CableCard device -- be it Tivo or the TV -- has to get guide data from somewhere else. Tivo provides its own guide information, while most TVs support the Gemstar TVGoS service broadcast over the airwaves (not available in all areas).

    That will all change with OpenCable 2.0, when bidirectional CableCard devices will be able to pull guide information directly from the cable provider. QAM alone won't be able to do that.
  15. Feb 14, 2007 #235 of 1039
    George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

    Jan 30, 2003
    Yup. When I would reboot my S3 and then try to go into LIVE TV immediately I would see a blue screen with the spinning pinwheel that says something like "Downloading Channel information" or something like that.
  16. Feb 14, 2007 #236 of 1039

    JohnBrowning Member

    Jul 15, 2004
    Plano, TX
    Wow! Talk about over-reaction! The minimal issues I have with both Series3 and FiOS are not near sufficient to make me drop or diss either one.
  17. Feb 14, 2007 #237 of 1039

    cgould Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Bay Area, CA
    Comcast forces many customers to get FULL analog cable, and digital cable, for THEIR DVR, but not for Tivo.
    You should be able to get CableCards w/ just Limited Basic (~$15) cable. You might need to also get Digital Classic *tier* (not the full package on top of full analog cable, but JUST the digital tier added to Limited basic.) That would be just another $10-12, and you get all the HD/digital channels not just the local broadcast in HD.
    Call the CSRs again and push.
  18. Feb 14, 2007 #238 of 1039

    alex_kac New Member

    Oct 23, 2004
    TivoPony did say "officially" support.
  19. Feb 14, 2007 #239 of 1039

    dnorth12 Member

    Feb 10, 2005
    Mesquite Nevada
    Don't have the update yet and am curious if the guide data and search feature moves any faster. Anyone have any info on that? I know the most recent update to the S2 fixed that issue with the S2.
  20. Feb 14, 2007 #240 of 1039

    kjmcdonald New Member

    Sep 8, 2003
    Boston, MA
    It also doesn't mean they do. Or that if they do conform today, that they will continue to conform tomorrow.

    You're asking TiVo to support a platform that (theoretically) is a moving target, with no promise from Verizon to work a certain way for any period of time, or to even work the same way in all of it's locations.

    For tivo to support it, they'd need to setup a whole second test environment configured the way FIOS operates and validate all there software changes on both systems. If there are variations in FIOS setups then that testing would have to be duplicated even more.

    Without a promise (or certification) from Verizon on how it's CableCARDs will work now and in the future, Tivo can't make a promise (official staement of support) to any of it's customers.

    Just because they don't promise to support it, is not the same as saying they promise not to support it. I hear them saying they are doing what they can, but that there are no promises.

    I believe most issues will be fixable by them, and I will attempt to move my S3's to FIOS when I have the chance. I won't be upset with them though when it doesn't work. I'll be upset with Verizon for not following the standard.

    I believe someone else posted that Verizon is not allowed to join CableLabs even if they wanted to. That's a shame and I therefor transfer part of the blame to CableLabs and the MSO's that run it. At the same time, the majority of the blame falls on Verizon, since the Specs are available, and with the possible exception of ambiguities and misinterpretation, there's no excuse for not following the Standard, and verifying it internally.


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