New Series3 Update

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Feb 12, 2007.

  1. Feb 13, 2007 #201 of 1039
    TydalForce

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    I think it comes down to more of a... Verizon doesn't have to follow Cable Labs' standards, and there's no guarantee that they do. Apparently they're doing so enough so their CableCARDs work, but there's no guarantee that they'll continue to work or that Verizon won't change something down the road.

    TiVo built the S3 to work with the Cable Labs design. As long as Verizon sticks to that, they should be fine. But TiVo can't guarantee it, and can't guarantee a device that isn't certified by CableLabs will work at all.

    Having said that, TiVo should make a reasonable effort to keep Verizon's CableCARDs working and happy -- as long as Verizon doesn't get carried away and deviating from the spec. The added carrier support can only help TiVo sell more units (and Verizon sell service to more houses)
     
  2. Feb 13, 2007 #202 of 1039
    Darthnice

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    I was told, "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."
     
  3. Feb 13, 2007 #203 of 1039
    jgsx

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    I didn't get the update initially. I had to force it to connect a bunch (I think around 22 times) and I finally got the update. If you can't wait, just keep trying.
     
  4. Feb 13, 2007 #204 of 1039
    Toeside

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    This desicribes us pretty well. For years we've had DirecTV, and our Season Pass List has been 95% OTA. We decided that 5% is not worth $70/month. I sold our HR10-250 and bought a Series3.
     
  5. Feb 13, 2007 #205 of 1039
    bkdtv

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    Verizon isn't deviating from the current CableCard specification. They just aren't supporting 2.0, because it's not possible with their system. That shouldn't matter, since the Series3 is a 1.0 device. I'm not sure why TivoPony would imply otherwise.

    Verizon FiOS uses CableLabs' certified Motorola CC1.0 hardware. They use the same Motorola cards that Comcast uses.
     
  6. Feb 13, 2007 #206 of 1039
    Brainiac 5

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    Since we're listing our "favorite" problems, does the update do anything for the problem in which the CableCARDs sometimes show an error ("CP Failure" on SA cards) and stop working until the TiVo is rebooted?

    Right now I have to "nursemaid" my S3s by checking them every day to see if they've gone into that state, and I still sometimes miss recordings. I'd be thrilled if that were fixed.
     
  7. Feb 14, 2007 #207 of 1039
    TerpBE

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    I have the same problem, but mine worked for about 3 1/2 months before crapping out on me. I've switched to component, but I can see a difference in the picture. I called Tivo about it, and the guy I talked to said it is a known issue and will be fixed sometime in the future.

    I'll hang onto the Tivo until I get close to my anniversary date, and if there's not a fix by then I'm going to exchange it for being broken.
     
  8. Feb 14, 2007 #208 of 1039
    Jazhuis

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    *raises hand, looks at several others already raised*

    My S3 is working fine with OTA and unencrypted digital channels. While I've been pondering getting a digital package, it's not a pressing issue. Here's one of my thought processes:

    1. Local Fox affiliate only digitally broadcasts 720p OTA.
    2. Simpsons, Family Guy are SD shows. Recording them as 720p would waste space.
    3. As part of basic cable package, local channels are broadcast as unencrypted QAM (HD and SD).
    4. Therefore, manual recording of QAM channel for these shows. (Analog OTA and analog cable are really poor quality vs. even the SD digital)

    Unfortunately, it means I have (a) the ugly "Manual" shows in my Now Playing list, and (b) it offers no automated recording control (not recording reruns, for instance).

    <return to topic>

    Not lucky enough to get either update (neither S2 nor S3) yet. :(
     
  9. Feb 14, 2007 #209 of 1039
    dswallow

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    Perhaps upgrading to a 750GB hard drive and just recording the SD shows OTA would be a better solution. Just a one-time cost is involved.
     
  10. Feb 14, 2007 #210 of 1039
    kido

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    talk to your cable company about getting cable cards with just basic cable. if they offer a hd set top box to tune local hd channels with basic cable then cable cards will do the exact same thing. if your cable co says they don't, that is a policy decision on their part not a technical one.
     
  11. Feb 14, 2007 #211 of 1039
    jgsx

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    Family Guy still looks much better in 720p then when recorded from my digital sd fox broadcast
     
  12. Feb 14, 2007 #212 of 1039
    Ivomir

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  13. Feb 14, 2007 #213 of 1039
    JoN8282

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    still waiting here on 2 boxes to get updated - i'm hoping it resolves some very minor audio drop outs on the first box, and a cable card auth issue / reboot issue with the second box -

    TIVO I KNOW YOU WILL COME THROUGH - I PROMISED MY FAMILY THIS UPDATE WOULD FIX IT - OR I GET BANISHED TO CABLE COMPANY / CABLE CARD SUPPORT # HELL!!!!
     
  14. Feb 14, 2007 #214 of 1039
    kucharsk

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    Still nothing; time for manual connect number eight, about once every two hours so far… :D
     
  15. Feb 14, 2007 #215 of 1039
    albrandwood

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    I _really_ wish TiVo would look to see if someone is watching a show before it reboots ...

    It should be really easy to detect ... is playback a live feed or recorded? if recorded, wait till it's stopped !!!

    It's SO annoying that these updates occur whilst I'm watching shows...

    @
     
  16. Feb 14, 2007 #216 of 1039
    JimPa

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    Is a manual connect any better than the regular scheduled updates when it comes to getting the download?
     
  17. Feb 14, 2007 #217 of 1039
    JimPa

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    I wonder if there is some way that you can request Tivo to change the time of your updates? Mines at 12:58 p.m., which usually means I'm sound asleep on the sofa when it updates. :D
     
  18. Feb 14, 2007 #218 of 1039
    kucharsk

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    Actually, I don't think so; I think connecting manually only gives you the download if it would have downloaded at your next scheduled connection anyway.
     
  19. Feb 14, 2007 #219 of 1039
    George Cifranci

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    Maybe they could pop up a message similar to what they do when you go to change a channel on a Series 1 or Series 2 single tuner when it is recording a show or needs to change the channel to record a show. They could pop up a message saying something like "Your TiVo would like to restart now to install a service update" and then have 2 options like "1. Don't restart now, ask me again in an hour" and "2. Go ahead and restart now". If the user doesn't respond to the message in a certain amount of time (and there are no scheduled recordings for the next 15-20 minutes) then it will restart on its own.

    Although in the case of the 8.1.1 update, I couldn't download it and install it fast enough because I was hopeful it would fix some nasty bugs and add stability (and it has). :)
     
  20. Feb 14, 2007 #220 of 1039
    George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

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    This morning I went downstairs and turned on my Sony SXRD and the message on the TiVo was that HDMI message "Viewing isn't permitted using the HDMI input try using another input (or something to that effect). I NEVER saw that before (I just installed the 8.1.1 update about 36 hours ago). I was able to fix it by switching to another input on my HDTV and then switching back to the input the TIVO uses. The S3 is connected directly to my Sony SXRD (R60XBR1) HDTV via HDMI.

    I don't know if that is related to the update but I had never received that message before the update.
     

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