New HR20 DVR will be FREE....if you are a 'select' customer

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by newsposter, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. cheer

    cheer Registered Offender

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    I had a very similar thought when I read that. :) "Bah! Tinley Park is a suburb of St. Louis!" ('Course, since I live in Gurnee IL, a suburb of Milwaukee, I should probably hush.)

    Back on topic, I keep having similar cable-esque thoughts. I'm not interested in D*'s HD LiLs because of the crap selection, not to mention bailing on my Tivos. And I'm not very interested in D*'s national HD package -- very little I would watch there, except perhaps ESPN HD and occasionally the movies. OTA I get everything pretty much except for WBBM, but getting WBBM (which I watch a lot) is going to be a major project, antenna-wise. I know I could probably just get the locals-only package from Comcast for HD, but then again no Tivo.

    And every time I run the numbers for Comcast, I see my bill taking a major spike. Sigh.

    Bring on AT&T's U-Vision, I guess. :) Wonder if U-Vision will support cablecard...that'd freakin' rock. Mebbe I'll try and figure out who the product mgr is and suggest it. :)
     
  2. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    Here's what TWC in The Greater Binghamton, NY offers on their HD tier.

    700 WBGH HD (NBC)
    703 WIVT HD (ABC)
    704 WSKG HD (PBS)
    705 Discovery HD Theatre
    706 TNT HD
    710 HBO HD *
    711 Showtime HD *
    715 INHD
    716 INHD2
    717 HD Net
    718 HDNET Movies
    719 ESPN-HD
    750 WBNG Digital (CBS) non-HD
    * requires extra package.

    Pretty lame doesn't even come close to what this is.

    If TWC here offered what newsposter has, I'd seriously consider going back to cable.
     
  3. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    Well if I had a chance to try a moxi box first handed, I may be back already :) - and i'd have to be sure the locals are just as clear on cable vs OTA- But some people have told me i'd be sorry compared to tivo. Also someone is coming to play with my OTA this week if the weather holds out and as long as I can get all those channels OTA, i'm even considering upgrading my hard drives in the hdtivo.
     
  4. cadams66

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    I saw the HR20 at CES at the DirecTV booth. They were not showing the user interface so either (i) it still has bugs or (ii) there is some surprise they don't want to show yet. The people I talked to confirmed that the old HD Tivos would be swapped for free. He told me when they would start shipping - it was either Feb or May but now I don't remember because I picked up so many dates at the show. I think it was Feb and the Toshiba HD-DVD is May. Anyway, the guy I was speaking to was in a position to have good insight and he swore on a stack of bibles it was going to ship in the timeframe he gave me. I find the schedule suspicious since they were not showing the software or the final case design at the show. If they were going to ship in Feb they would already have built up inventory by now. Who knows - maybe there is a good explanation. Q2 is still plausible.

    I read some people posting in this thread that DirecTV was clueless and would not win new customers offering partial local channel lineups. I think some are missing the point. The motivation for this box is to switch to H.264 so they can offer more channels on the same satellite space. The easy switch is the HD channels because (i) they are the biggest bandwidth hogs, and (ii) there are not that many subscribers so they can afford to swap their boxes for free. Eventually they will want to switch all SD channels to H.264 but they will wait several years so that many of their subscribers will have bought a new box on their own nickle and it won't cost as much to swap out the remainder.

    Keep your HR10 if you want - but before long it won't work with any of the DirecTV HD channels. Maybe the ATSC tuner will still work.

    The 30 second skip ahead will not be offered. Too many issues with their suppliers. Obviously it is possible so maybe some hack site will offer a patch. I was told of a bunch of new features they would have, but other news at CES overtook that memory space in my brain.

    The main reason I want this unit is I want to have multiple boxes that talk to each other so I can move content around my house. The HR20 has an Ethernet port. I don't think the first software release will support networking but an upgrade will come with time. I don't see that Tivo is motivated to invest in new software for the HR10 if they are all going to be swapped out.
     
  5. jcricket

    jcricket New Member

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    I'm planning to swap my HR10 for an HR20 + 5-LNB dish when MPG4 Locals come my way (Seattle). OTA is too unreliable for me (my wife, really), and I only get the same channels OTA that are being initially offered via Satellite. IOW, I can wait for WB, UPN and PBS to be available over the satellite in HD. I'll probably keep my R10 as a secondary receive for now, until they have another "$100 rebate" promotion or something else comes along. Having both will make an interesting comparison wrt to the UI differences.

    From what I've seen/heard about the R15, the HR20 will be "just fine" as a dual-tuner HD-DVR. In some respects it will probably be better than the HR10 (actually supported by DirecTV). All the other features offered on standalone Tivos (e.g. MRV, HMO, etc.) will be gravy if/when we get them on the HR20, but I'm not holding my breath.

    In fact, if Apple announces a Mac Mini with a remote and Front Row software, I'd probably purchase one to replace my DVD Player - gaining HMO-like features (e.g. music, pictures, downloaded video) + web surfing capabilities along the way. I already have two boxes (HR10 and DVD player), so until someone builds the full-featured-single-box solution, two boxes is fine by me.
     
  6. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    You do realize every single market would have to be converted to mpeg4 for them to turn off mpeg2 right? I think their own press release said something like 36 markets this year. I think there are a LOT more markets that need to be brought on board before they kill mpeg2. So the feeling is it will be years until the hdtivo is dead. Plus dont forget, there are people like me with T60's and even newer units that will all become 'dead' as wel if there's no more mpeg2. that's a lot of boxes to switch out. no way that's near future.

    And since you specifically mentioned new customers, I do believe that if someone has had cable and received all their HD local channels then found out that they only get 4/7 of them on satellite and would be responsible for maintaining their own equipment etc, that DTV would be a hard sell. Just my 2 cents.
     
  7. Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    Last I heard, DirecTV MPEG-4 transition plans apply only to HDTV. All of the SD channels will remain MPEG-2. Apparently the economics don't support the bandwidth saved versus cost of transition for SD TV. So, S1 (like your T60) and S2 DirecTiVos could be around for a long time.

    OTOH, what happens if lots of channels migrate from SDTV to HDTV over time (i.e., dropping the SD version)? This may encourage more migration of customers from SD only to combo SD and HD, thus moving to MPEG-4-capable receivers.

    Lots of speculation here and few facts to work with, and lots of forces at play in the marketplace. Anyone's predictions today will likely need to change as the marketplace changes rapidly in the next few years for HD and digital SDTV.

    See, it only took me three paragraphs to make statements that will likely be wrong or out of date not too long after I click on 'Submit.'
     
  8. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    As much as I'd love that to be true, stop and think for a second.

    Of the 100+ channels in SD today, how many new hours of programming are being produced (versus repeats of old programming)? In order for a channel to be HD, it needs a lot of new content (or old film to be HD'd, like HDnet does). There just isn't enough new content to support many new HD channels.

    The major networks - yes. Movie channels - mostly. About a dozen cable nets - yes/maybe. The rest, not really. So it's unlikely we'll see this "150 national HD channels" with actual HD content. It's going to take years, maybe decades, before the bulk of the channels are HD (the time to transition to HD recording for all new content, the time to convert old content that can be converted, and the time to just have enough content).

    Most reality shows aren't HD yet. No game shows are HD yet. We've got a long way to go.
     
  9. dswallow

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

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    Ooh the possibilities! Imagine a 9x9 version of Hollywood squares! or, should that be 16x9? :)
     
  10. bidger

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    I saw a thread in the AVS "High Definition Programming" forum that both "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune" will be available in HD next Season. Didn't read it because I don't watch game shows, but I did notice the thread.
     
  11. STL

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    What a load of crap!! LOL Maybe content providers but NOT suppliers!
     
  12. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    Okay, that's 2. Next year. I meant more about syndicated content/independent producers as a whole. They are probably the bulk of totals hours on TV any given day, but the major networks produce the bulk of new content in any given year.

    So it'll be ages before we see many more national HD channels, beyond:
    - Movie channels
    - Major networks
    - 5-10 cable nets (e.g. Discovery, ESPN)

    That will leave, oh, 130+ channels for DirecTV to magically find. If they start trying to push VOOM-like crap down, and still cry bandwidth constraints, I'm outta here even sooner.

    Oh please, Tivo Series 3 - Save me!
     
  13. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    But why does it matter if "all" the programming isn't HD, but rather they still allocate the bandwidth to it? As far as I know, most HD network stuff is on 3 hours a day plus maybe bit more if you add sports on weekends. I watch the OTA feed of SD shows on those networks because the pic is so much better than DTV. So if the new HD feeds on the satellite are as good, then why not put the other versions of HD channels on satellite as well so we at least get decent SD programming quality.
     
  14. disco

    disco Father of Sam.

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    Two cable companies in the closest city (I'm about 20 miles away, so they don't reach me..):

    Charter:
    770 HDNET
    771 HDNETMV
    773 ESPNHD
    776 MAXHD
    777 HBOHD
    778 SHOWHD
    781 KAREDT (NBC)
    782 KTCADT (PBS)
    784 WCCODT (CBS)
    785 KSTPDT (ABC)
    789 KMSPDT(FOX)

    En-Tel:
    none

    The small town I live near (I'm actually about 2 miles outside, on an old farm site), has "project" cable (provided low cost by the township). They have only 37 CHANNELS, and, of course, no HD. And they don't reach me, either.

    DirecTV/DishNetwork are my only choices.
     
  15. sjberra

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    Charter Cable Offerings

    » Local ABC, CBS, NBC

    » Local Fox in widescreen high resolution

    » Discovery HD

    » ESPN HD

    » HBO HD (you must be an HBO subscriber)

    » HDNet & HDNet Movies

    » Showtime HD (you must be a Showtime subscriber)


    *Channel availability varies by location.
     
  16. MichaelK

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    Actually i think SOny just said Jepoardy and wheel of fortune wiull be HD for the fall season.

    Didn't see anythign about hollywood swaures though ;)
     
  17. MichaelK

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    FYI- the HR10-250 WILL also DIE if it is not actively subbed to Directv. Maybe not totally dead as in no tuning but it can NOT record anyting except a single 30 minute buffer without the authourization from the Directv satellite stream. For a box that cost around 5 times what a non recording version did/does I think that's pretty close to dead.
     
  18. richierich

    richierich AKA PLASMAMANIAC

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    I am going to wait at least a year after the HR20 comes out to get it if I do decide to get it then. It will be riddled with BUGS that DIRECTV will not even admit or tell us that they are working on it, so I will let you guys VENT with FRUSTRATION as they play their corporate game until I know that it works as advertised. In the meanwhile, I will enjoy both of my HR10-250s with 600 gigs of hd each and with HD LOCALS (uncompressed) via OTA!!!
     
  19. dswallow

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    Not really... the non-DVR HD DirecTV receiver I had cost a bit over $600 when I bought it. Without a DirecTV it's usable as an ATSC tuner.

    HR10-250's cost less than that now, even less considering service discounts often applied. That's just the price you pay.
     
  20. bidger

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    Does it still get guide data for the ATSC channels?
     

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