New DTV TIVO - kind of a joke it took so long

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by bbboris, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. sjberra

    sjberra New Member

    May 16, 2005


    I thoght Replay was right up there with Tivo, both companies where formed in 1997 and both companies introduced in 1999 and CES, so kind of a toss up as to who gets the "we where first" award
  2. joed32

    joed32 New Member

    Jul 9, 2005
    How much did they get from Dish Network?
  3. fasTLane

    fasTLane Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    TiVo March 31, 1999 (without DLB) oops

    ReplayTV April 26, 1999
  4. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    DLB in a Series 1 standalone in 1999? I don't think so...

    There was a variety of prior art in the DVR field, but TiVo was the first to market with something aimed at consumers and they did a lot of things right.

    I find the various tirades about other DVRs "stealing" UI elements to be ludicrous. The DirecTV UI has never looked anything like the TiVo UI.
  5. wluebke

    wluebke New Member

    Feb 3, 2011


    When it comes to large corporations logic & ethics rarely sway decisions, it always comes down to money.

    Yes DTV could have shut off the Tivo units, but it was mainly the 1 million loyal DTV/Tivo customers that voted by keeping their DTV/Tivo boxes turned on year after year. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can ignore 1 million paying customers. Not Tivo, not Direct TV, not Nobody!

    Fact is DirecTV and Tivo "are" back together ... and this is good for all concerned.
    A true Win-Win situation!

    I thank everyone directly (an indirectly) involved with making the THR-22 DVR a reality. For the 1 million still out there with standard DTV/TIVO boxes, time to vote again by upgrading to the HD THR-22.

    Now TIVO its your turn ... lets get those enhanced features working.

    Pretty please, with sugar on top!
  6. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

    Nov 17, 1999
    Living in a...
    Regarding DLB, you're thinking of the first DirecTV TiVo, which arrived in late 2000 with only one tuner active.
  7. sjberra

    sjberra New Member

    May 16, 2005
    Is that market date, becasue both where shown at the 1999 ces
  8. fasTLane

    fasTLane Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    Yes. Date of release.
  9. sjberra

    sjberra New Member

    May 16, 2005
    so tivo was just faster getting it to market, both where shown at the same time
  10. DocNo

    DocNo Member

    Oct 10, 2001
    Bristow, VA
    Reliable recording? At least once a month my mother complains about her D* DVR not recording something she wanted. Whether it's user error, or a bug in D* software - the end result is irrelevant. For all their "lack of innovation" that many love to pin on Tivo, they do one thing very, very well - record shows!

    Funny, that's the reason I have a DVR. Everything else is gravy....

    A combined "now playing" and group recording are the only things D* has that I wish Tivo would do. Other than that, the D* interface is clunky and slower than Tivo (didn't think that would be possible!)

    Meh - they still do the core functionality - recording programs - better and more reliably than anyone else. Even after all these years. And with the 20.2 software update (just got mine tonight!) they finally seem to be propelling the platform forward again. Yeah!

    Not gonna happen - the concept of a DVR isn't very Apple-like. Yes, it's the best solution for now - but streaming is where it's going to be going. Look at iTunes - it's really not much of a stretch - buy what you want, when you want it, without commercials. IP TV. That's what I really want. I don't want a DVR, that's a means to an end.

    The end for me is watching what I want, when I want. DVRs are an ugly intermediate step to that end.
  11. TonyTheTiger

    TonyTheTiger Pro Troll Magnet

    Dec 22, 2006
    Let me preface my comments by saying I have both - HR2xs AND a THR22 - and until about 6 months ago, worked for a cable company that supplied the Premiere to customers, which was my job to set them up and provide support for. I'm not looking to start a TiVo vs. D* war - others have done that far more succesfully - but merely putting in my two cents...

    In what universe is this irrelevant??? If a user is unable to set a recording, then it makes absolutely no difference what platform is being used. In fact, the D* box is easier to set than TiVo. All you need to do is hit record with the required program highlighted and it'll record - do it twice and a season pass is set.

    Just about ALL DVRs today record shows very well. I have had very few missed recordings and can honestly say that I haven't noticed more on one than the other. The difference is how they get set and how easy the software is to navigate - or just plain personal preference.

    Not sure what you mean here as the TiVo has folders, or 'Group Recording".
    I think both platforms have a degree of 'clunkiness' that virtually doesn't exist in, say, the SkyPlus+ box in the UK. If I was forced to choose, I'd actually say that the TiVo interface is actually slightly slower and clunkier overall than the D*.

    As I stated above, core functionality is pretty equal on ALL DVRs. Where they differ is on the non-core functions like searching, wishlists, Kidzone, streaming, MRV, etc.

    In your own words, IPTV is what YOU really want. That doesn't mean it's what everyone wants. The majority of TV watchers are quite content to watch what's on when it's shown. They are simply not interested in getting involved in the complex (to them) world of time-shifting and/or streaming.

    The users on this board are still very much a minority. Advertisers like Best Buy would have us believe that the average user is far more tech-savvy than they actually are.
  12. midas

    midas I heard that

    Jun 1, 2000
    I agree that if a user is unable to set a recording the whole argument is moot. But I've been using a DVR since the first Tivo Series 1 came out. I've had D* DVRs since they went to MPEG4.

    The issues I had with the HR boxes recording had to do with wishlists, or as they call it, autorecord keyword. I had a lot of issues trying to recording sporting events. Sometimes it just wouldn't record and there would be no explanation of the missed recording.

    And while Game Search is a nice feature, it doesn't always work. And when it does, sometimes it honors the added recording time you've asked for, sometimes it doesn't. It would work so much better if D* just didn't try to record from channels you don't receive. Yes, Tivo is going to get burned occasionally on blackouts from missing this feature. But overall the Tivo is going to miss far fewer.
  13. Jerry_K

    Jerry_K Don't know much

    Feb 7, 2002
    I would not try comparing THR22 to DTV HR DVRs as the standard for TiVo interface and functionality. DirecTiVo and Series 3 TiVos do not miss recordings. EVER. I have two DTV HR DVRs now and they do miss recordings. No reason no history no nothing just not there.

    For me it is very simple to compare. It boils down to the questions I get from my lovely wife. What is that? Why does it do that? That is stupid.

    I have to tell her that the new boxes do that. I will never know why. Some things have a workaround. Others do not. She is being extremely nice to me as she knows I really like the HD.
  14. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    I have had cases where the HR21 made a recording that the HR10, with the same "season pass", missed. No explanation in the HR10 history. But in general both have been extremely reliable, absent glitches in guide data.

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