Netflix's Iron Fist - all episodes - *spoilers*

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  1. Rob Helmerichs

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    That is interesting. The one thing I'd disagree with him on is that the show does seem to be aware of the issues, and hints at them...but in the end, yes, it is afraid to confront them in any meaningful way.
     
  2. Philosofy

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    That article got his origin wrong. Harold killed Danny's father, and his mother sacrificed herself, but they were looking for Kun Lun: that's why they were there. They could have put a sub plot in the show that, after the Hand approached Danny's dad, and he rejected them, he sought out Kun Lun for help.

    To the people upset about cultural appropriation: go write your own story. Make it better. But wanting Danny Rand to be something different due to your own political beliefs is like this: Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles ) Chapter 1, a harry potter fanfic | FanFiction.
     
  3. TAsunder

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    I want Danny Rand to be something different, but it has nothing to do with race/ethnicity.
     
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    He must become someone else. He must become something else.
     
  5. JYoung

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    As I indicated in the part you didn't quote, I was talking about the original comic.
    When I first read an Iron Fist appearance, I first saw him in full costume and thought he was Asian.

    And then he took off his mask and I saw he was a blond "All-American" and I was like "what the hell?"

    Yes, it was the 70's but it was still disappointing that the powers that be at Marvel weren't courageous enough to have the character be Asian.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    But they already had an Asian martial arts character! Shang Chi!

    (And I wish that were more of a joke than it probably is...)
     
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    That is just as racist as if a lucha libre wrestler took off their mask and they were Chinese and you could not accept it.

    It hardly matters where a fighting style was first developed. Anyone can learn it and excel at it.
     
  8. JYoung

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    Heh.

    Even though Shang Chi had his own book for a while, it just felt to me like he was on a lower tier than Iron Fist.

    I can recall seeing Iron Fist interact with the other denizens of the Marvel Universe fairly regularly.
    You'd see him interact with the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, or Spider-Man.
    (Including a wacky story in which he recharged the Vision's solar batteries with his Iron Fist power.)

    I don't think I ever saw Shang Chi interacting with anyone else and certainly not any of the top tier characters, well ever, until a couple of years ago when he joined up with the Avengers.
    (I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying that I don't recall seeing it.)
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    To my young mind, that elevated Shang Chi above Iron Fist's level...he was more purely what he was. He didn't need to pander to the super-hero crowd (usually with, shall we say, less than dignified results).
     
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    Not reading the whole thread because I am only 2 episode in but I have really enjoyed the setup in those two episodes. Looking forward to more.
     
  11. Test

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    It was good, not great, not bad...definitely not the worst of the four. I like how all these articles are saying things like "the one thing that could have saved Iron Fist" and then follow that up with, cast an Asian guy. Seriously? That would have magically "saved" this series? The problems (besides race) I'm reading about from people that actually watched all the episodes would still exist if an Asian stereotype kung fu master was used.

    Like the article linked above: "It’s a story about a kung fu master raised and trained by Asians in a magical Asian city. No need to overthink it!"

    It's really not about that, it's about an outsider being accepted into the culture and rising to the top ranks...Davos pretty much says this.

    It's funny that people want this guy to be Asian, when in fact him being non-Asian is actually part of the story. People really want Asians put in these shows, how about make Daredevil Asian? Jessica Jones?? Their race means nothing and would have no impact on the characters if changed.

    I think all the people (bloggers) that hate on it are hating on it because of the PC issues and it's clouding their judgement.
     
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    finished it, it was fun but the writing and character inconsistencies dropped it down a few pegs for me, not as good as daredevil or Jessica Jones.

    Luke Cage would have been better too except for the terrible Diamondback writing.
     
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    Just finished the 1st season. I have not read the comics and knew nothing going in. I enjoyed the series, though it wasn't great. I am looking forward to more.

    I am sure that once my SIL who knows all things comics, gets around to watching it, she will tell me why I was wrong to like it.
     
  14. TAsunder

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    Haven't seen any of those articles. Mostly what I see is something like, "they could have cast an Asian and reduced the white savior issues of the comics, but none of that matters because the writing is terrible and the show sucks no matter what his race is."
     
  15. Rob Helmerichs

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    Although some of them add "They should have made Colleen Wing the lead"... ;)
     
  16. TAsunder

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    I was thinking they should have swapped Hoon Lee with Finn Jones because he had some great fight scenes in Banshee and has the body shape of Iron Fist.
     
  17. JYoung

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    I finished this the other day and and my first thought after watching the end of the finale was "Daniel Rand, you have failed this city".

    There was far less of the "White Savior" element than I thought that there might be.
    But mostly because (as mentioned up thread) Danny kind of sucks at the whole savior thing.

    It's not a bad show but I think that Iron Fist is the weakest of the Marvel Netflix series so far.
    (And Colleen Wing is far more interesting than Danny Rand.)

    I'm guessing that the Hand will be the major adversary in the Defenders.
     
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