Netflix arrives today!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by davezatz, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. Dec 8, 2008 #141 of 686
    moyekj

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    So there are 13 bars total? The quality graphic doesn't appear long enough for me to count them all. Would be nice to have an accurate bit rate vs. # of bars key. Sounds like it's time for a little Netflix/Tivo FAQ (hint, hint, hint). :D
     
  2. Dec 8, 2008 #142 of 686
    bkdtv

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    Yes, there are now 13 bars total. Edit: There are 13 total bars on HD programs, 11 total bars on SD programs.

    The first six bars appear to be "free" -- that's what you get with their lowest quality streams.
     
  3. Dec 8, 2008 #143 of 686
    modnar

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    Is there a way to tell what the highest quality available is VS the quality your connection will currently support?
     
  4. Dec 8, 2008 #144 of 686
    bkdtv

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    It would be nice if TiVo offered that feature, but no, they do not.

    Stream quality "levels" on Netflix include:

    0.5 Mbps (SD)
    1.0 Mbps (SD)
    1.6 Mbps (SD)
    2.2 Mbps (SD)
    3.4 Mbps (SD - select titles only)
    2.6 Mbps (HD)
    3.8 Mbps (HD)

    At the moment, there is no way to tell whether reduced quality is the fault of your ISP, the fault of your home / wireless network, the your fault of the TiVo, or simply the best stream offered by Netflix for that program. No matter what connection you have, the best you will ever see on some programs is 5-6 bars because Netflix doesn't have higher quality streams available. Most SD programs seem to be available with 10 of 11 bars, however.

    My impression is as follows, but it is difficult to confirm, because even if you have a router capable of showing the bandwidth in use, Netflix will still stream for periods at higher rates for buffering purposes.

    13/13 bars (full with HD icon) = HD @ 3.8Mbps
    12/13 bars (1 short with HD icon) = HD @ 2.6 Mbps ??? Never seen this.
    11/11 bars (no HD icon) = SD @ 3.4 Mbps ??? Never seen this.
    10/11 bars (1 short) = SD @ 1.6 or 2.2 Mbps ??
    9/11 bars (2 short) = Never seen this.
    8/11 bars (3 short) = SD @ 1.0 Mbps
    6/11 bars (5 short) = SD @ 0.5 Mbps

    Are you confused yet? I don't blame you. Usability with the current progress bar is rather low, because it shows different bars depending on whether you are watching SD or HD. The bars are very small on <40" screens, and given the number of them, near impossible to count in the brief time they show up on the screen.
     
  5. Dec 8, 2008 #145 of 686
    husky55

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    I got sound with HDMI to the TV but no sound from the TivoHD to the Pioneer receiver with the optical cable.

    I do not use the TV sound system so this is kind of render Netflix movies useless for me.

    No problem with YouTuble or anything else. Firmware version 11.0.

    Any work around or solution is appreciated.

    Thanks,

    :mad:
     
  6. Dec 8, 2008 #146 of 686
    moyekj

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    According to the Netflix encoding blog:
    http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html
    So it sounds like perhaps by changing Tivo settings to output PCM for audio that may fix your audio issue. Will be interesting to see if that fixes the issue, though it would still be a pain to have to change setting back and forth just to workaround this problem.
     
  7. Dec 8, 2008 #147 of 686
    Test

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    WEIRD...so I just got home to set up my tivoHD with netflix and I punch in the code and it says I already reached the MAX of allowed devices, I have 2 Roku and 2 xboxes. I remember reading that I was allowed up to 6 devices, so I look for it and found it in their help center...

    http://www.netflix.com/Help?faqtrkid=5&p_search_text=watch+instantly

    "In addition, due to requirements from content providers, there's a limit to the number of unique devices each account can use to watch instantly. Each Netflix account may watch instantly on up to six unique authorized devices, including personal computers and Netflix ready devices."

    So I call netflix and the lady seemed happy to help. At first she said the limit was 4 and asked me where I saw it was 6, so I pointed her to the q&a and she was surprised and said that they were told it was only 4. SO, she went to talk to someone and when she came back she clarified that it was either 4 netflix ready devices and 2 pc's or 4 pc's and 2 netflix ready devices. So that is a weird requirement, no? why not 3 pc's and 3 nrd's? or 5 and 1 or 1 and 5?

    Anyway, so that mystery was solved, but then I went to check my activated boxes and saw that I can't register a new box until 09/09 even if I deactivate a current one (I tried). So I asked her about that and she said that she didn't know why it was locked down for a year. I asked about the "what if my xbox has to be replaced?" (rrod) and that I already had that done for one of them or what if I break a roku, I would be hosed for a year? So she went and talked to someone again (she called them care takers) and came back with 2 solutions, 1...deactivate a device and leave it for a week and it may unlock a slot or 2...open another account with the minimum price to get another device...I decided to deactivate a device and wait a week.

    So don't reach your max devices you'll be locked for a year to those devices no matter what.
     
  8. Dec 8, 2008 #148 of 686
    ThAbtO

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    I once contemplated getting one of those Roku Players, but it meant adding another box to my tv/tivo stack, and being $100 each, I didn't get one. When I heard Netflix was coming to Tivo, that threw the Roku notion out the window.
     
  9. Dec 8, 2008 #149 of 686
    husky55

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    @moyekj,

    Thanks for your reply. I just went to Settings-Audio and changed Dolby to PCM. No sound. For good measure I added the analog RCA cable from Tivo to My Pioneer in addition to the Toslink. Still no sound. There is sound in the Samsung TV with HDMI.

    My next step is to remove the HDMI cable and replace it with the component cable and the toslink, but I have low expectation since the toslink is working fine with the Hdmi attached to the TV at the moment.

    I do not know the problem is with Netflix or Tivo but there is a problem. What is surprising is the problem does not seem to be widespread.

    I had hoped to wait until next year for a new Hdmi receiver since my Pioneer 1015TX is working fine so far.
     
  10. Dec 8, 2008 #150 of 686
    caryrae73

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    I only see 11 bars not 13 in the quality box (I have 10 of the 11 bars filled). Does 12 & 13 show up if it is in HD? I did a test and get an average speed of 2.8 mpbs, I take it that is to slow for me to stream HD movies? On Netflix it says to get movies in HD you need "typically 5 Mbps or higher"?
     
  11. Dec 8, 2008 #151 of 686
    bkdtv

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    Yes. TiVo shows 13 bars on HD programs, but just 11 bars on SD programs.

    TiVo offers HD in 3.8Mbps and 2.6Mbps versions. Your connection would need to sustain closer to 4.0 Mbps to reliably stream the 2.6Mbps HD version.
     
  12. Dec 8, 2008 #152 of 686
    moyekj

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    That is odd. I'm using Tivo S3 HDMI for video & RCA stereo outputs now to a Pioneer receiver and get sound from Netflix without issue.
     
  13. Dec 8, 2008 #153 of 686
    caryrae73

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    Great, Thanks.
     
  14. Dec 8, 2008 #154 of 686
    husky55

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    I tested again my HD recordings, SD and HD TV shows, sound is fine from Toslink to Pioneer. So the Pioneer is OK. I do not get stereo with Netflix movies streamed with Tivo from my Toslink, but I got sound and video with the HDMI cable to the TV. Same program.

    My Pioneer has PLIIX so I believe it can decode stereo into 7.1. But I got no signal with my Toslink with Netflix movies. Same setup and 5.1 and 7.1 work fine with other materials. I am at a loss. Don't think changing from HDMI to component cable would work either.

    I do have a Panasonic XR-55 in a different setup that I can try with the Tivo-Netflix setup. May be the Pioneer is defective somehow? Although I don't see how it can be.
     
  15. Dec 8, 2008 #155 of 686
    sschwar2

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    How quickly does the the instant queue update to the Tivo? I've added several things and haven't seen it populate on my Tivo. It doesn't seem like it is a real-time update...
     
  16. Dec 8, 2008 #156 of 686
    morac

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    I found the following in TiVo's Netflix FAQ

     
  17. Dec 8, 2008 #157 of 686
    husky55

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    It updates for me within 5 minutes.
     
  18. Dec 8, 2008 #158 of 686
    bkdtv

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    I find it updates in 15-20 seconds, but only if you move in and out a program or folder. In other words, the main queue listing doesn't refresh to display changes, but if you select a program and your list and then go back, you do see the new changes.
     
  19. Dec 8, 2008 #159 of 686
    caryrae73

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    In case some people don't know you can activate up 4 devices a year.

     
  20. Dec 8, 2008 #160 of 686
    Turtleboy

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    I assume a computer doesn't count as a device though.
     

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