After reading this thread my take on this is $499 up front for a leased box is ridicules! However, if you can get the box from D* for around $200 and it has a lifetime warranty then I think that is a good deal. I dont plan on upgrading any of my TiVos so cracking the box is not a concern but might be for others. The unknown here is how D* will handle the HR10-250 when the new HR20-250 comes out. In other words, if you own can you upgrade right away or choose not to upgrade. If you lease will you be forced to upgrade? This is what it states on Circuit City web site under the HR10-250. "Note: DIRECTV® services sold separately. A maximum of six (6) receivers may be leased per year, but not more than two (2) DVR receivers, two (2) HD receivers and one (1) HD DVR receiver may by leased in a given year. A separate monthly equipment leasing fee of $4.99 applies." I thought this was interesting. Why would D* limit the number of boxes you can have?