Need advice about external drive for HDTivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Joan, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Sep 5, 2011 #1 of 20
    Joan

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    I am considering ordering the Tivo HD external storage with backup from Weaknees. I need the storage space and I want to make sure that I don't lose everything if something goes wrong. Almost all my programs coming in on my cable have recently become copy protected, so I cannot move them to my pc or other tivos. Will I be able to store them on the external hard drive? And, if the HD Tivo does tear up and needs to be replaced, will that external hard drive be able to transfer the shows to the new tivo?
     
  2. Sep 5, 2011 #2 of 20
    ltxi

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    External drives become married with the internal in a RAID array. So, the answer to your first question is yes although it's transparent to you and not selectable, and the answer to your last question is no.
     
  3. Sep 6, 2011 #3 of 20
    Teeps

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    If your TiVo is out of warranty. Go for the internal drive upgrade.

    I had an external drive connected to my S3 for over 3 years with no problems.

    But consider this:
    With external drive there is another wall wart to run it, and 2 more connections to potentially have a problem with, IE the connection gets knocked loose during cleaning, etc...

    With internal drive, no change except for more space.

    And, with internal drive if it starts to act up. A single drive can be easily cloned to a new drive and you lose nothing.


    One more thing Joan; please put your location (city/state) in your sig line. It can help with answers.
     
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    lrhorer

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    No, and it doesn't matter in the first place. The TiVo makes the decision of where to store any particular stream, and it may not reside entirely on either drive. The stream may be split up between both drives.

    No. If the primary drive fails, all the programs on both drives will be lost.
     
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    lrhorer

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    This is false. It's not a RAID array. Indeed, it's not an array of any sort. The MFS file system can (and does) span multiple targets, somewhat like LVM, but it is not LVM and definitely not RAID.
     
  6. Sep 6, 2011 #6 of 20
    Joan

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    Thanks, everyone, for the information. It looks like an internal drive may be the best since there fewer things to mess up. And thanks, Teeps, for the details. I've looked at the drives at Weaknees and I was wondering if someone who isn't tech-oriented could really change out an internal drive. Is it really really simple?
     
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    uw69

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    It's very easy in my opinion, but I suppose it depends on how comfortable you are. Have you ever removed and replaced a hard drive in your computer?
     
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    Joan

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    No. The most technical thing I've done is to add memory to my pc. And I was so proud of that!
     
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    Teeps

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    If you're ok with installing memory. Then a straight hdd swap should be no big deal, unless you wish to retain current settings and recordings.
    If you do want to retain the existing data, that can be done but does complicate operation.

    I bought a 2TB drive from dvr_dude.
    He offers a data transfer service for an extra $50 over the cost of the upgrade drive. The down side to that is turn around time. As you will have to send your original TiVo drive to him, so the data can be transfered.
     
  10. Joan

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    Thanks for the advice. I'm not interested in keeping the current data that I have, so that simplifies everything.
     
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    If you do replace the hard drive, make sure you buy a T10 torx screwdriver ahead of time. Otherwise you will not be able to open the Tivo case. It is a very simple operation.

    Unless the screwdriver comes with any upgrade kit you buy.
     
  12. tiassa

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    Installing a "pre built" drive is on a par with adding memory as far as technical complexity goes. you should be able to do it.


    I needed a T10 and a T15, one to open the case and the other to remove the drive from its bracket.
     
  13. WO312

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    I just opened my Tivo HD the other day and a T-10 worked for both the case and the bracket.

    IIRC, I do believe earlier models required both screwdrivers. Of course, maybe it varies day-by-day depending on whether or not they ran out of T-15's at the factory. ;)

    Edit: I don't recall, but maybe you do need a T-15 to remove the drive from the bracket. The screws holding the bracket to the case are T-10's.
     
  14. Joan

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    Thanks everyone for the advice. I even received a private message but I apparently don't have enough posts to even reply. I really appreciate the help. I have found all of tivocommunity to be a great source of information for several years.
     
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    Well, if you reply to this post maybe you'll have enough to do PMs.:D
     
  16. Joan

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    Hey, that is true. I hope magical things will happen now. This place is a far better souce of technical information than I have found elsewhere.
     
  17. dlfl

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    Ask DVR_DUDE if he furnishes the torx drivers (doubtful) and/or instructions (probable). Also in one case recently posted the drive he featured on his eBay page (Google "eBay DVR_DUDE") was the "quiet" version and sold for $30 more than the "not as quiet" version. Unless your TiVo is located in a very quiet place (e.g., bedroom) you can probably be happy with the cheaper one. You have to ask about it I guess since it wasn't on his web page.

    After installing the new drive your CableCARD(s) will most likely have to be re-paired by the Cable Co, and this may require a truck roll, although the trend recently is toward "self-install" where you just call them or use a web page.

    DVR_DUDE has an excellent reputation here.
     
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    Dvrdude used to offer a torx driver "kit" for an additional $5. Think he still does.
     
  19. dlfl

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    If he does it's probably a good deal. I had a driver but paid $10 for a bit set that contained the 10 and 15 bits (and others that duplicated bits I already had).
     
  20. tiassa

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    My local Home Depot had a "23 piece precision screwdriver set" (SKU:471793) which had a handle, flexible shaft and 5 hex, 4 Phillips, 4 slotted and Torx 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 20 bits for $4.88
     

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