My parental controls not working

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by ah30k, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

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    I just got a trial of HBO & Cinemax which has quite a bit of skin shows after 10:00pm.

    I tried to set up parental controls and am having a heck of a time.

    One problem is that when I tune to a channel, it briefly shows NR in the banner then quickly changes to the proper rating. Almost like there is a delay in pulling it up. On those, I get a 'blocked' message but then it seems to play. Other channels seem to get blocked but I can't figure out why. Looking at the banner, it should be cleared.

    I know this is a vague comment, but any one else having similar problems?

    I really just want to block NC-17 and AO ratings and S-MA content.
     
  2. geoffsh

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    I understand the issue, and its definitely a bug. Its also hard to believe that TIVO is not aware of this. Here is the deal: There are TV ratings limits, like PG, TV14, and MA. You can also fine-tune the TV ratings based on D=Dialog, L=Language, S=Sex, and V=Violence. For each of the foregoing, you can also set a max rating. For example, you set an overall max rating of TV14, but set L=PG. If you were to do this, then any TV14 shows would be allowed so long as they don't have an "L" in the rating. In effect, you would be saying, "allow any show that is up to D=TV14, S=TV14, V=TV14 but block it if it has an "L" in the rating." Make sense? This works fine with recorded TV, but not Live TV. With Live TV, TIVO only pays attention to the overall rating you've set, and ignores the ratings you've set for D,L,S, and V. It is very frustrating.

    Without entering any PIN, your kid can sit there and watch a show as it is being recorded. If your kid turns around and tries to watch the show again, after it was recorded, *then* and *only then* will TIVO prompt for the PIN.

    The bottom line is that the setting values for D,L,S,and/or V is useless because of this gaping hole with regard to live tv. To get proper filtering, you need to set the max overall rating to the lowest value you are willing to tolerate for each of these ratings.

    Both TIVO Premier AND Series 3 have this bug, but Series 2 does not.

    I'm going to start a new thread on this to see if anyone else has noticed it.
     
  3. ah30k

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    Oh great, so as long as my kids are stupid enough to record the porn, it will work fine. If they just want to watch it live while I am sleeping then it won't work :(
     
  4. djwilso

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    I think it's a real stretch to call any of the lame watered-down movies on those channels that happen to have naked people in them "porn".

    What happens to a child who sees porn anyway? Does that child run amok? What? I've always wondered what the real fear is behind this motivation to hide sex from children. For example, in some countries, children reside in the same room with their parents as they have sex. Are these children in some sort of danger of failing at life? Or, do they come to the realization that sex is a completely normal part of life and thus are totally comfortable with it?

    Or, is it more in line with reality that children who grow up in lives filled with religious indoctrination and sexual repression are really the ones that are the most deviant in their behavior and the ones who are the least capable of coping with life?

    As far as the TiVo bugs go, it has been this way for a very long time, and it seems like TiVo moves as slow as the continental drift when it comes to correcting problems like this.

    And as for the rating changing a few seconds after tuning into a particular channel, this happens because there is a rating in the guide data and also in the data stream of the channel itself. The rating is sent periodically and is why it takes a few seconds before the TiVo detects it and changes the display in the banner.
     
  5. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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  6. geoffsh

    geoffsh New Member

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    @ah30k: You have it reversed. Depending upon how you've set it up, so long as your kids watch it live, they can, but they won't be able to watch the recording of the show.
     
  7. geoffsh

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    @djwilso: Whether you consider content to be porn, hard porn, light porn, or "lame" to call it porn is entirely irrelevant, as are your theories about how this material might or might not affect children. Man, you are really going off the deep-end here with your rhetoric about children "who grow up in lives filled with religious indoctrination and sexual repression." Wow!

    The issue is purely technical and only concerns one or more bugs in TIVO's parental controls. If a TIVO owner chooses to setup parental controls then they should work consistently. If parental controls require a PIN for watching a recorded show then there is simply no excuse for TIVO's *not* requiring the PIN while the show is being recorded (AKA, "live"). It is a bug, TIVO should fix it, and it is unfortunate that TIVO's reputation is that of a company which moves as slow as the continental drift when it comes to correcting problems like this, as you put it.

    If the feature is available then it should work as advertised. Whether you choose to use it or not is your choice. If you want to debate the merits of people's children watching them as they have sex with one another and the possibility of CPS becoming involved in their lives, then I think that might be a different website.
     
  8. djwilso

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    If CPS is involved, it's a result of bad parenting. Bad parenting would include never having the guts to talk to your children about sex in an open manner. Not talking to your kids fosters an environment of secrecy and mistrust.

    If you have to use technology controls to prevent your children from watching content you forbade them to watch, then you have failed at the actual job of parenting.

    I am a parent of two well-adjusted children, and we don't need to use the parental controls on the TiVo because my wife and I are the parental control.
     
  9. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

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    I refuse to get involved in this discussion except to say that your calling me a failed parent is disgusting given that you don't even know me.
     

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