My first Tivo, a journey indeed

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bobster954, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. bobster954

    bobster954 Member

    Aug 15, 2011


    UPDATE on cablecard.

    Three distinctly different people on 3 different calls at comcast said there was not one single card available at a local service center...not one. In all of south florida.

    I had to schedule a tech to come out, many days later.

    I went today to the closest service center, instead of waiting for the tech appointment later in the week.

    They had a ton there. I asked for one and she just opened a drawer and gave me a brand new one...just like that.

    So..since comcast has been making this hard, I decided to make a complaint to the FCC saying comcast was forcing me to get a tech install.
  2. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale

    What information did you have to give them? Did you have to sign anything?

    Do you have to call to pair the card?
  3. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
  4. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    No it wouldnt. With the exception of PBS, OTA broadcasters rip off consumers at rates up to and exceeding 200X that of CableTV offerings. A much, *MUCH* better solution would be either shut down all OTA, or else force OTA broadcasters to adopt either a model like PBS, or better yet a subscription model like the CATV companies have.
  5. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003


    The Tivo does not suport EPG data, if that is what you mean. There's no need. The daily download pulls in 12 - 14 days of data on an ongoing basis. EPG support by broadcasters is spotty at best, and none provide more than a week's data ahead of time.

    Forget about surfing. With the TiVo it is nothing but an unnecessary waste of time. Again, the Tivo is a completely different device than any you have ever used. The only reason to "surf" is because one must browse through several (or hundreds) of uninteresting video feeds to find one that is interesting. "Uninteresting" can of course include commercials, which one can essentially skip with the Tivo (or any DVR). With the Tivo, nearly every single program on tap can be one you find completely enthralling, and the list can be thousands of programs long. The Tivo will happily, with almost no effort from the user, weed out all the unintesting crap, so that the user is presented with almost nothing but the best, nearly commercial free, programs available. There's no reason not to watch virtually every program from end to end.

    To answer the question, however, "No". The TiVo can record two channels at once, and download at least one other from the internet or a local PC. The two recorded channels can be OTA, CATV, or one of each. One can watch any program that is being recorded, and one can usually watch an internet or LAN feed while it is downloading. One can always watch anything that has been previously recorded or downloaded.
  6. bobster954

    bobster954 Member

    Aug 15, 2011
    broadcast tv is free to use via an antenna. if you mean ads, I guess there are a lot, yea...but its free.

    I would rather pay zero dollars a month and get a ton of channels over broadcast tv than 100+ to a cable company for 100s of channels I do not want....
  7. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    Don't be foolish. The price of those ads comes straight out of your pocket to the tune of between $500 and $2000 a month or more, depending on your spending habits. It costs you (and me) at least 10X what the entire CATV package costs. Do what you suggest, and you can kiss more than half your paycheck goodbye.

    Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is free. Only an utter fool thinks anything is free. The most expensive things, are almost invariably those which someone tells you are free.

    You don't pay $0 per month. $1000 per month is more like it, give or take, for 5 channels - nowhere near a ton - that have virtually nothing worthwhile on them. There is virtually nothing on network TV but worthless crap. If you want to pay $1000 a month to watch Survivor and Wheel of Fortune, then fine, but do so directly and quit forcing me to do the same.

    Then don't pay for them. Shut off your service and you won't pay a penny. It's called a free market, and it requires that every consumer have control over his spending as a direct input to the system's operation. If you don't like something, then don't buy it again. I don't like anything on network television. It's all low-class, unredeemed, ineptly produced, boring garbage. They need to stop making me pay for it when I have no desire to watch it.

    Buy a clue. The big 5 national networks are stealing upwards of 30% of your paycheck - almost a $trillion last year in gross income, all straight out of your pocket and mine. Quit thinking they are doing you some sort of favor. Every time you see an add for a department store like Target or Wal-Mart, you should say to yourself, "That ad just cost me $250." Every time you see an ad for an automobile, you should say to yourself, "That ad just cost me $7000." Every time you see an ad for a detergent or soap, it cost you $75.

    Do I think CATV services are over-priced? Yes, I do. Do I wish I could eliminate the channels from the lineup I don't want and have them lower my bill accordingly? Absolutely. I would have NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, ESPN, TNT, TBS, MTV, all the Spanish channels, all the sports channels, and a large chunk of others removed from my lineup in a heartbeat if I could. Who can I get to shut down the broadcast channels and refund me upwards of 30% of what I spend at the grocery store, the hardware store, and the auto dealership?
  8. randyb359

    randyb359 Well-Known Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    TV commercials create demand for product which allows for economy in scale. Without the commercials everything would actually cost more
  9. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

    Jan 14, 2011
    Phoenix, AZ
    I am confused by your comments here, How does a broadcast TV Advertisement directly take money out of my pocket? Especially for a product I have never purchased. Unless you meant the Advertising costs are passed on to the consumer. But even then the costs are passed on whether I watch the commercial or not.
  10. bobster954

    bobster954 Member

    Aug 15, 2011 the unit and everything...

    1) worst part was the wireless router. I did not have wireless. Not knowing the key was unplugging the incoming cable from the comcast router and then screwing it back in was the key. 2 hours of it not working...ugh.

    2) Because I picked up the cablecard from the service office, they had scanned it in the computer. The phone call was like one second. The guy just sent the signal...done. I was surprised since this was heralded as the nightmare part.

    3) the remote with the slide bar is not so good. It is really small. Buttons are really sensitive. Unit is more round and easy to roll. I decided to shelve it except for the times I need to type something and use the regular remote. The reviews on it were correct.

    4) Setting up the tivo was easy, following the guide was easy. It all worked out fine...was watching tv within 20 minutes.

    5) wireless set up was easy, no problems.

    6) there are some issues with some channels..when I select the channel in the guide it goes to the channel then quickly to the cablecard setup page (the page that shows all the info on the card). Clearing that screen allows me to watch the channel.

    7) I have not checked it yet, but it appears I am getting all my channels. However, it seems to have added some channels not on my sub, but not all. Gonna go through and see (lots of channels to select).

    8) Lastly, I would add one peeve already. The remote has a clear button....clearly as far away as possible from all other buttons..quite annoying already.

    oh, one more....
    9) the banner display stays up way too long (forcing you to search for the clear button). When I went to the settings and made it 'shorter' it doesn't work right at all. This is what happens..

    the channel comes up, with the banner, for like 1/2 sec. Then the screen goes black for 1/2 sec, then the channel comes up.
    I ended up putting the banner back to its really long version since that flashing banner when shortened is rather distracting.

    so far cool, works as a dvr well.

    Not happy they do not have a global time adjustment to the video recording (instead, forcing me to change every single recording when I do it to start 1 minute early and end 2 minutes later). I guess direct tv is the only dvr on the market that auto does that for you....I would rather just be able to press record and not worry.... gotta live with it though.

    ta- da.
  11. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    It is an interesting discussion. Does advertising make stuff cost more or not. Simple logic dictates that the cost of advertising has to be recouped through the sale price of "stuff". The people who pay for advertising on TV must believe it increases their bottom line or they wouldn't do it. So does advertising increase profits by allowing an increase in margins or volume (I am guessing some combination of both).

    The real question is would "stuff" cost more or less (or perhaps not even be available) if they did not advertise on TV. I am guessing it would be highly dependent on the product.
  12. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    No question stuff would cost less or not be available without advertising. Ads tell consumers that a product/brand exists and influence them to choose a particular brand over a competing product. Unfortunately a majority of consumers apparently are influenced by ads that say nothing meaningful about the product or even make misleading claims, i.e., they apply no critical thinking to choosing a product. For example you should buy a particular SUV because an ad portrays a soccer mom taking team members to the game.

    In politics ads are by far the largest factor determining winners. Ads cost big money. Big money comes from interest groups. So most politicians (1) spend all their time soliciting contributions and (2) are elected because they have policies that appeal (only) to the interest groups. Thus lack of critical thinking by voters is the primary cause of the problems we have with our governments.

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