MRV now streams?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by aadam101, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. jcthorne

    jcthorne Well-Known Member

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    Yes, if this streaming works well, I'd add a Premier Player box at each set so long as the pricing and subscription rates were reasonable. $500each for additional Premieres was not reasonable according to the spousal unit. :)
     
  2. Fofer

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  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'm hoping those units are <$150 and that they do not require a subscription. Or if they do require a subscription it's cheap, like $1-$3/mo

    Dan
     
  4. Fofer

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    Same page, Dan203. Last time I had a TiVo in my bedroom, the whirring of the fan and HD kept me up. I am happier just sharing one TiVo from the living room instead. For distinct show watching in the 2nd room, though, a unit like the Preview would be ideal.

    So, I am hoping the exact same thing.

    Alas... this is TiVo. I've a feeling it won't even be offered for retail sale anytime soon. And when it is, they'll stupidly price it at $499. Or $199, with a full TiVo subscription required. Something really dumb like that.

    We'll see. Fingers crossed they don't mess this up.
     
  5. lessd

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    Same thing happened to me, that why TiVo may not have a full release of streaming yet, you can't complain (to TiVo) about a non released feature not fulling working.
     
  6. Johnwashere

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    Tivo just said this on their facebook page:
    "TiVo - Hi All, We are always working to improve the TiVo experience. Occasionally, features we are working on can be exposed prior to release. The ability to stream between two Premiere boxes is not officially supported at this time. We appreciate feedback on these features as it helps us continually improve the product. We will provide you an update when we have something more to share."
     
  7. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    If would be fantastic if the devs could implement this streaming service through PyTiVo so I can stream directly from my server to my TiVo Premier... I know Streambaby does something similar but it has limitations and it would be nice to enable this service seamlessly through the My Shows menu.
     
  8. shorties

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    The old surveys TiVo did mentioned streaming to the TiVo iPad app, I hope that will be a feature they actually implement, and I hope it works outside the home over the Internet, like a slingbox.
     
  9. Dan203

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    pyTiVo isn't a TiVo product, but they may eventually add it to TiVo Desktop which would be nice. Especially if it worked with H.264 video and didn't require a recode to MPEG-2.

    Dan
     
  10. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    Can someone explain why some limited third party apps have been created? What is the technical hold up for a full app store?
     
  11. Fofer

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    That would be freakin' fantastic, but I'm just not optimistic TiVo can pull that off.
     
  12. aaronwt

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    I've streamed three more shows without issue. But with those, I starting recording a program on one Premiere and then started streaming it shortly after on another. So it was still recording while I was streaming.
    There were also no other recordings going on from either Premiere other than the one recording that I was streaming to another box.
    Plus these were all from the same channel, CNN-HD.
    I'll need to try some more only this time adding another recording occurring at the same time to see what effect it has.

    One thing I also have not tried is streaming from one Premiere to two other Premieres concurrently. Although based on when I streamed in both directions between two boxes, it will probably freeze at least one box.
     
  13. innocentfreak

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    My guess is while it may allow two streams now it may be something they block in the future and only allow one stream. I am only going off the fact the Elite/Q were mentioned to only support 3 streams even though it has 4 tuners.

    This might just be though because the Elite/Q also can only handle 6 streams so it has to leave 3 open for other functions.
     
  14. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I realize that... But the PyTiVo devs have the flexibility to be more focused on this type of functionality then TiVo can be. Becides, I like PyTiVo alot better than TiVo-to-go... :D
     
  15. matt@thehickmans

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    My guess is that this is because 100Mb Ethernet can only handle 3 HD streams before becoming over-saturated, and/or that the TiVo hardware - network adapters - have similar limitations.
     
  16. aaronwt

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    After my last post I enabled two streams from one of my Premieres to go to two of my other Premieres. It was a 2 hour show. The originating Premiere was not recording anything, and neither were the receiving Premieres. It had gone through an hour of the program on both boxes before I left for work. I only did minimal FF/Rew and 30 second scanning but they were both fine during that hour. Both behaved as if it was being viewed from the local drive.

    I let them continue when I left so when I get home tonight I'll need to see if any of the boxes froze and the end of the streaming program.
     
  17. innocentfreak

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    Forgot about that, but at least with the Q it will have MoCA 2.0 I believe which is faster than 100mb. I don't think speeds have been mentioned with the Elite yet so no way to know what type of connection it will have.
     
  18. Dan203

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    I think they may use the MOCA in the Q to establish an ad hock network among it and the various Preview units in the house, but that it will still require a regular Ethernet connection for current network functionality. This will allow it to have the entire bandwidth of the MOCA network for streaming without the possibility of over saturating the users home network or requiring them to buy special MOCA hardware to connect the Q to their network. I believe the other "whole house DVRs" out there use a similar technique where the base unit and players communicate across a private network and not via the users home network.

    Now when it comes to the Premiere and maybe even the Elite, they may fall back to Ethernet/WiFi since those wont be as controlled as the Q/Preview combos that will actually be installed by cable providers.

    Dan
     
  19. aaronwt

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    I tried three streams this evening. I started a recording on one Premiere, then I went to three other Premieres and initiated streaming from the recording I had just started. I did this twice this evening. Each time it worked with all three boxes for 20 to 25 minutes. During that time each box did the FF/REW/30scan with no issues and it behaved just like it was from the local drive.

    The first try the box recording and sending the streams rebooted after 20 to 25 minutes. The Premieres receiving the stream had a frozen stream, but as soon as I hit the TiVo button I got into the menu and I could go to live TV. and they were fine.

    On the second try, after 20 to 25 minutes, the box that was recording and sending out the streams did not reboot, it was fine. But all three boxes receiving the streams froze. And I had a frozen image on all three boxes that stayed as the background no matter what menu I went to or even if I went to live TV.
    All three boxes had to be rebooted.

    This shows a lot of promise if these kinks can get worked out. I'll only mess with it now as one stream since that seems to have better luck for me. But I still won't do it if I have any recordings scheduled.
     
  20. matt@thehickmans

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    The Elite is described as being able to bridge MoCA. The Preview may also have this capability. If so, only one of these needs to be connected to your regular Ethernet LAN. The bridge should be able to forward DHCP requests and responses. Also, the Previews will need to be able to stream Netflix, Hulu Plus, YouTube etc.

    I see no point for the MoCA to be ad hoc as this would be an unnecessary complication. Nor do I see how making this ad hoc would clear out any bandwidth. It's not like using different subnet IP addresses means you don't have to keep sharing the physical media.
     

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