MRV is a Must Have!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by larrs, Sep 19, 2006.

  1. pan4life

    pan4life New Member

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    I agree that MRV is great and I hope it gets re-enabled soon but what is the terrible harm in setting up the same season passes on multiple TiVo's?
     
  2. Cue-Ball

    Cue-Ball New Member

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    Media Center machines can't record from CableCard sources so they don't have to play by the same rules as Tivo does.

    Apples and Oranges.
     
  3. MichaelK

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    I was thinking about the verizon situation trying to figure out why they would need cablelabs approval and if they didn't why they would criple HD transfers and I rememebered tivogaurd (the tive system) is approved by the FCC for OTA content. I actually think the courts overturned the FCC's right to regulate OTA flags and DRM but the NAB is trying to get congress to pass laws enacting it. SO maybe Verizon is weary of deploying HD transfers since since the Congress (or the FCC at the behest of congress) might regulate the issue again and then they would be forced to remove the feature later?

    ANother idea might be that motorolla wants to creat a single solution that will work for VZ but also be approvalbale by cablelabs so they can include it on all their boxes..
     
  4. reh523

    reh523 New Member

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    Anyone in this thread understand DRM? That is why it is missing.........
     
  5. MichaelK

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    Tivo has FCC approved DRM called tivoguard. So they have DRM (at least for OTA content)

    The issue is that cablelabs hasn't (and may not) approve TiVo's DRM system for cable content. They have 180 days to review TiVo's system and give a thunmbs up or thumbs down. If they say Tivo's DRM is no good then TiVO gets to appeal to the FCC on an expedited basis (I think 90 days) fo an impartial review. Since one division of the FCC already approved it, it's not a stretch that the FCC would find in TiVo's favor.

    We dont know when TiVO formally applied to cablelabs- so who klows were along the 180 day process we are. Also ther eare politics that could be involved here- Cablelabs may have already or could at the end of the 180 days deny permission to use TiVo's DRM on cablecard devices. Tivo would then have to decide if they want to fight cablelabs overtly by appealing to the FCC or if they would want to make nicey nice with cable and try to come to a compromise...
     
  6. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    Well. It's redundant and doesn't allow us to utilize all of our tuners. In a one or two person house hold redundancy like that might be ok. But when two prime time shows conflict with the must have tenth showing of Cheeta Girls 2 you run into problems. Being able to use all your tuners for different shows keeps peace, is more convenient, and it what we have been doing for 2 years. More if you count those that bought HMO.
     
  7. ebockelman

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    It's not Apples and Oranges. I can record OTA HDTV with both units. One can send it to multiple rooms - the other can not.

    If it were purely a CableLabs issue, enable MRV for OTA and analog cable recordings.

    Plus with Vista MCE, there will be CableCard support, and Microsoft has already gotten the extender model certified. There's also a Directv card in the works.
     
  8. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    And Verizon FIOS supports this for their DVR's (at least for SD), which might not be cable cards, but is certainly under the "digital cable" domain, and precedent that cable labs can't just ignore.
     
  9. bicker

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    Support for SD doesn't really matter in this context though.
     
  10. Oknarf

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    I'll believe it when I see it. Don't get me wrong, though. I want to see it. :rolleyes:
     
  11. tirofiban

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    Why are you all complaining?

    All the MPAA wants to do is protect you from yourself.

    MRV and TIVO to Go, these are things the MPAA believes are evil.

    In the MPAA's mind if you had these features on a series 3, then you must be a theif.

    TIVO still exists because they haven't done anything to annoy the MPAA. One law suit from them and there would be no more TIVO.

    It's a whole new ballgame with HD content. Heck, to get my DVD player to upscale to component, I had to hack it. Who do you think forces manufacturers to block upscaling of DVD content via a component connnection?

    Isn't the MPAA wonderful?
     
  12. MichaelK

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    not being argumentative but why does cablelabs need to observe a telco company's policy as a precedent? Basically that's between verizon and the content Providers.

    But good point that sd likely is or can be Digital- i forgot about that.
     
  13. bicker

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    Rather, folks like the MPAA want to protect copyright owners from unscrupulous customers. If people just voluntarily complied with laws and rules then we wouldn't have to suffer through all these complex means applied to keep the criminals in check.
     
  14. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    It absolutely does. The majority of the digital content is still SD. The issue is not the analog content, it's anything that comes through the cable card, which is mostly digital SD content.

    So support for SD matters a lot. And it's the only thing you'll be sending to/from the S3 Tivo and S2 Tivo's (well, that and analog SD content).

    If they only gave SD content MRV, I'd be thrilled, as I could use my S3 as a server for my house, serving all the non-HD TV's with digital SD content (which is a lot better than the analog SD equivalent).
     
  15. HDTiVo

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    Apparently existence is not static. :p
     
  16. MitchW

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    Charter plans to introduce the SA 8300 MR in about a month. It allows viewing from one Server HD to 4 HD TV's. Here is the link:

    http://www.scientificatlanta.com/consumers_new/CableBoxes/8300HDMR.htm
     
  17. larrs

    larrs Movie Fan-Addict

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    I am here with money for three Series 3s when it is added.
     
  18. hookbill

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    What does MRV stand for? Sorry, I don't know but since I'm missing out on it I might as well find out what it is. :)
     
  19. MichaelK

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    multi room viewing.

    basically moving a show recorded on one box to a second box in your house.
     
  20. hookbill

    hookbill Feathered Member

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    Oh, well I wouldn't use that anyway so I'm not missing anything. :)
     

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