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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by larrs, Sep 19, 2006.
What is this MRV of which you speak?
7 bedrooms, 7 PCs, One Tivo, One TV, and 2 John Deeres.
Multi-Room Viewing - sharing shows between TiVos in a home.
Don't be too hasty - you're assuming that S2 machines will be able to decode and playback pure digital content. They are made specifically for playing back digitally encoded analog recordings. They may not be able to playback source digital information without some sort of seperate (hopefully software only) upgrade.
I suppose you mean like an Xbox360, but even in that case, you'd be wrong. MRV as far as Tivo is concerned is a totally different execution than Xbox360 MCE. This is probably why Tivo is having trouble with CableLabs. An Xbox360 only streams content, any movie or TV show displayed on the Xbox (for all intents and purposes) is not copied to the Xbox360, only displayed.
Conversely, using MRV means copying the show from one Tivo to another, in which case, you end up with two copies of the same show.
We have two TiVo's and we have kids.
We use our TiVo's for conflict resolution, however two tuners are sometimes not enough. We also try to make certain the TiVo recording the show is in the room where it will be watched, but that's not always the case. MRV means we don't need to worry about it.
If you ever get kids you'll discover quickly that on Friday night you won't be able to get anywhere near the TV in the family room. It is also very convenient to retire to the bedroom when the kids go to bed. We can suck down shows from the other room to watch if we need to.
One cable box rental. We can watch digital cable programming in each room without having to rent two boxes.
Show management. If one TiVo starts getting tight on space (We save up movies) we'll move shows to the other less used TiVo.
The list goes on and on for MRV.
Here's my wishlist (pun intended) for S3(+) in order:
1. TTCB, I really, really, want to upload hi def videos to my TiVo and use their interface to watch them. I do this all the time for SD stuff (mostly copies of DVDs I own, I can't even bear to use a DVD player anymore )
2. TTG, I'm a train commuter and would love to watch hi def shown on a device like the Archos 604. Whatever DRM features needed to do this are fine with me. I have no intentions on sharing any of this stuff.
3. MRV, We're a two TiVo, two TV, three kid family and MRV is used fairly often, but less than the other two features.
4. $$$, which I don't have right now anyway
So, I won't even consider an HD TiVo, and hence an HD TV, until those features are available.
And I certainly won't pay to transfer my lifetime subscription to a box that doesn't have features 1-3 above.
I do that now and it is great. Usually, we start a show in the den and if it is time for my daughter to go to bed, we start the transfer, put her to bed, get ready for bed ourselves, and voila! The show is transferred (or at least transferring) and we can pick it up in the bedroom where we left off. Works great. However, at this point, the TV in the family room has a cable HD DVR and we have to finish the show there. It would just be much easier if it were a Series 3 with MRV.
Of course I understand. I also understnd that some cable systems already have MRV and all they need are cable boxes in the other viewing locations.
Do we KNow when the evaluation started?
I'd like to think it was around May when they got the original certification, so hopefully they are more than half way through the 6 month period...
Verizon has rolled out MRV on their FiOS network using the Moto STBs. Motorola has an approved MRV encryption and protection plan.
TiVo could either license a currently approved MRV solution or try to get their own approved.
Do non cablecard STB's even require cablelabs approval?
Good question. Not sure.
I would bet it's considered the same for CableLabs. You can't copy the show outside of your network so what's the difference?
MRV should have been included. You're correct that it's a closed system, there is no way to steal from yourself. So what gives, TIVO???
You need to have an approved encryption and control system. If the video is going out on the network, it is NOT in a closed system. Anyone on the net (you may say it is only in your home, but there is no guarantee) can sniff the transfers. They also want to protect against you taking unencrypted data out of the box.
Good point, which is why I expect MRV will be approved, but TTG definitely will not. TTCB shouldn't have anything to do with CableLabs, it should have been enabled from the beginning, as eSATA should've been.
Do you even get cable out there on the farm, John Boy? Don't you love Bessie enough to have Animal Planet specials saved up and played back during milking?
4 bedrooms, 6 PCs, 5 tivos, 3 HDTVs, 2 "normal" TVs, and Juan* and Jorge* take care of the yard.
MRV IS very much a must-have.
*note: put DOWN the pitchforks and torches...this is not a joke, this is not a non-PC statement, those are the actual names of the guys that come mow my yard because I'm too damned laz...err, "busy", yeah, busy to do it myself.
I was set to buy 2 S3s on the day of release until the news of no MRV broke.
I want to be able to start a show on one TV and finish it on another. If the "copy to" model of MRV doesn't work for CableLabs, then adopt the "steam to" model of the MCE extenders. I really don't care how the content gets there - I just want this basic functionality.
If Microsoft can provide it with Vista Media Center, it will take a good portion of the high end market away from Tivo. This market is the exact market they are trying to court with the Series 3.
MRV needs to happen now.