Moxi DVR is going to be bricked by Arris at end of 2013

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  1. Feb 9, 2012 #1 of 105
    slowbiscuit

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    What a crock, at a minimum Arris needs to release the guide server protocol so someone can emulate the server feed via Schedules Direct, and a firmware update to allow manual recording. Yes, you heard that right - the Moxi is a brick without guide data because it can't do manual records.

    UPDATE: Arris removed mention of the guide data going away at end of 2013 from their website. Dave Zatz has the screenshot archived here:

    http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-02/arris-to-cease-retail-moxi-dvr-service/

    Remains to be seen what the future is for Moxi guide data, but even if they have less than 5000 Moxis in the field, they can't just brick all these units. Some folks over at AVS claim to have spent $2k on Moxis, and they were still for sale early last year (they were first sold by Digeo in Dec. 2008, so the oldest units only have 3 years on them - hardly a 'lifetime' of service).

    UPDATE2: Arris has completely backtracked and now claims that it was just a simple mistake, guide data is not going away. Ummm, if I had a Moxi, I'd be looking to sell - there's no support for the box, no updates, and they clearly just want to dump the users whenever they can get away with it.

    Here's the post from someone claiming to represent Arris at AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21639926#post21639926
     
  2. Feb 9, 2012 #2 of 105
    aaronwt

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    Still a long ways off.
     
  3. Feb 9, 2012 #3 of 105
    mdm08033

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    I would hope that Moxi will extend the programming guide to the retail buyers the way Microsoft/Denon/Marants did for Replay owners. Considering how few Moxi DVRs are in the wild I would assume that the chances of that happening are slim to none.

    Boy am I glad I just stuck with my FIOS DVR when I gave up my DirecTV tivo a few years ago. I would be miffed about owning a $600 brick after three years.
     
  4. Feb 10, 2012 #4 of 105
    davezatz

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    I took the liberty of updating their TiVo comparison chart... ;)

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    steve614

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    Chris Gerhard

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    I am sure not going to gloat, if my TiVos end up in a similar state, it won't be funny at all.
     
  7. Feb 10, 2012 #7 of 105
    unitron

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    TiVo just got a bunch of money from some of their legal battles. Maybe they should buy up what's left of Moxi.
     
  8. Feb 10, 2012 #8 of 105
    MichaelK

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    Anyone know if moxi has any neat exclusive features with IP that stops others from doing?
     
  9. Feb 10, 2012 #9 of 105
    unitron

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    They might not have anything TiVo needs, but they might have something TiVo doesn't want going elsewhere, if not IP, then maybe the subscriber/owner base.

    Although I was sort of joking.
     
  10. Feb 10, 2012 #10 of 105
    aaronwt

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    I see Moxi removed that end of service statement from their home page.
     
  11. Feb 10, 2012 #11 of 105
    Chris Gerhard

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    This post needs a smiley at the end.
     
  12. Feb 10, 2012 #12 of 105
    HerronScott

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    minimeh

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    They moved the information to a lower profile position in the FAQ. See "Why can't I purchase a Moxi?": http://www.moxi.com/us/faq.html
     
  14. Feb 10, 2012 #14 of 105
    minimeh

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    To be fare to the TiVo community: I once was the proud owner of 2 ReplayTV DVRs and I own a Moxi DVR. The kiss of death may have been put on TiVo because I now own a TiVo Premiere.

    You've been warned! Save yourselves!!

    :)
     
  15. Feb 10, 2012 #15 of 105
    PotentiallyCoherent

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    Wasn't Moxi a Tivo killer?
     
  16. Feb 10, 2012 #16 of 105
    aaronwt

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    Obviously not. :)
     
  17. Feb 11, 2012 #17 of 105
    Series3Sub

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    And this is why TiVo feels fine in putting out such an UNDERwhelming product as the Premiere, still laggy, super slow--even SLOWER after the vaunted software full of UI upgrades, not to mention (I will, anyway) TiVo having never done, nor appatantly willing to, do the OTT portion RIGHT with an experience more like the Roku, et al. Oh, but wait! When we buy the one box for "everything" TiVo means we have to get a Roku to compliment for an OTT experience that WORKS properly because the TiVo has the best and most reliable Netflix interface and because TiVo allows Amazon Prime customers to access and stream their vids, right? and no 100 episode limit and . . .

    No competition is a VERY bad thing. It's sad because if Moxi had really taken off and all other OTA DVR's been done well, we would all be proud owners of TiVo's with the best DVR features AND THE BEST ON-LINE OTT CONTENT PROVIDER/INTERFACE/EXPERIENCE. Oh, and Premieres would be lightning fast in response. Instead, we get a TiVo product as if it were coming from a socialist or communist nation where mediocrity is the zenith.

    So, please don't gloat over Moxi leaving the retail arena because Tom Rogers is telling all his engineers and staff who pushed for a really prime TiVo product, "See, I told you we didn't have to spend the money to make the Premiere work all that well and it was fine to wait 2 years for proper enhancements because we're all the little people have for cable and OTA."
     
  18. Feb 11, 2012 #18 of 105
    CoxInPHX

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    Moxi is currently NOT for sale or takeover. Arris still has big hopes for the Moxi, although not at retail, MSO gateways only.

    The sad thing here is Arris will still continue to provide software and guide updates for the MSO products. So continuing to provide at least guide data for the current retail devices would not be much of a burden for Arris.

    Arris Expects a Rosy 2012
    http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=217314
    "Despite slower sales of the Moxi gateway in the fourth quarter, Arris still thinks it can turn the product into a $100 million business in 2012. Stanzione identified WideOpenWest Holdings LLC (WOW) , a competitive overbuilder with 1.6 million homes passed, as the latest customer for the device, joining Shaw Communications Inc. , BendBroadband and Buckeye CableSystem . He said Arris has two more Moxi deals about to pop."

    The Alpha Gateway and Player
    http://www.bendbroadband.com/residential/alpha_index.asp?adct=3&promo=1&page=TV

    Shaw Gateway
    http://www.shaw.ca/Television/Equipment/
     
  19. Feb 11, 2012 #19 of 105
    nrc

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    Blah. WOW mentioned a new multi-tuner DVR and I was hoping that they might join the Premiere Q/Preview club.
     
  20. Feb 11, 2012 #20 of 105
    Worf

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    SO what is the difference between a Moxi and an Arris gateway?

    Being in Canada, we have crappy Motorola DVRs (just recently upgraded with CableCARD! But no, no CableCARD for you - you have to buy the box and activate it and rip the CableCARD from it. No word on if it works inside TiVo after you do that). But a few months ago they offered a "gateway" product with 6 tuners. All I know about it (I've not seen the interface) is that it's made by Arris.

    Anyone know the difference? Off the top of my head, the gateway does 6 tuners and can have 6 TVs connected to it (via boxes connected to it over MoCA).

    But since my provider's going all digital (encrypted QAM), I'm going to have very little use for my TiVos...
     

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