Moca connection with Ethernet plugged in

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by serial_port_me05, Dec 9, 2019.

  1. Bigg

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    If you plug Ethernet from the Google Wi-Fi's LAN, and turn MoCA off, you'll be fine, as the iPhone and TiVo will both be on the same network. If you use MoCA from the FiOS router, and then have the iPhone behind the Google Wi-Fi router, it will most likely not work through a NAT router.

    OP can ignore my reply and sit there wondering why the iPhone can't see the TiVo. Everything else will work fine from two different networks, since they both have internet access.

    You clearly don't have a complete grasp on this situation. Ethernet from the ONT to the Google Wi-Fi would be ideal. All newer FiOS setups use Ethernet from the ONT to the router, MoCA WAN is limited to 75/75 or with a specific ONT, 150/150 I believe.

    No. You can't use the G1100 as a MoCA WAN bridge AND a MoCA LAN bridge. It's one or the other. If you use it as a MoCA WAN bridge, it's no longer a router, you lose the MoCA LAN functionality, and you lose the Wi-Fi. That's all fine if you just want to provide Ethernet to your own router, and use your own networking technologies (including potentially a MoCA LAN adapter downstream of your own router).

    Because it can't do MoCA WAN bridging and MoCA LAN bridging at the same time. You could use Frontier's little MoCA adapter there, or another FiOS router for the WAN bridge, and then use the original FiOS router as a MoCA LAN bridge downstream of the router. I'd probably use the newer router as the WAN bridge, and buy an older revision Actiontec router for a MoCA LAN bridge, since that's a less critical function.

    If you create the MoCA LAN network with the TiVo by feeding it Ethernet downstream of the Google WiFi router, that is fine. Then use the FiOS router as a MoCA WAN bridge which will disable the router, Wi-Fi and MoCA LAN functionality.

    If the TiVos are connected via Ethernet to the LAN side of the Google Wi-Fi router, they will be on the Google Wi-Fi's LAN. The only thing the Verizon router would be doing is converting MoCA WAN to Ethernet for WAN access, serving the same function in the network topology as a cable modem, even though it's a totally different technology.

    What? You can't use a G1100 for both MoCA WAN and MoCA LAN when using a third party router. You could use two G1100s, one as a MoCA WAN bridge, and one as a MoCA LAN bridge.
     
  2. Bigg

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    So that's the technical side of it, but the other question is why? Google Wi-Fi has poor Wi-Fi mesh performance, and doesn't allow for the option of bridging like Eero, Orbi, Velop, Plume, and other mesh systems. Further, Verizon has their own new mesh system that's Wi-Fi 6 based and while I generally don't recommend getting provider-specific hardware, it does look pretty awesome. If you're looking for the best wireless mesh, and are OK using the Verizon router, then the MoCA WAN and LAN issues basically disappear, and you could disable Wi-Fi on the G1100 and use a wireless mesh system that will perform far better than Google Wi-Fi, and offer bridge mode to allow the Verizon router to be the router for the whole network, with MoCA LAN for the TiVos.

    On the other hand, if you want a better router functionality, then you should wire Ethernet directly from the ONT, and have everything else downstream of whatever router you are using. I'd still ditch Google Wi-Fi and get something better, but this makes the setup with the router a lot easier, and doesn't require multiple levels of MoCA bridges. In this setup, it's even better to have the main TiVo form the MoCA network, and connect it back to the router with Ethernet if possible.
     
  3. Bigg

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    If you upgrade to a LAN connection from the ONT, you can get significantly higher speeds, in which case you will also want a better mesh system, Verizon router or not. The Plume Superpods and Eero Pro systems both offer great Wi-Fi 5 performance, and if you do go up to the gigabit tier on FiOS, Linksys's new Wi-Fi 6 Velop system and the Orbi Wi-Fi 6 system are both insanely fast.
     
  4. krkaufman

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    As I stated above, it's not my preferred solution and I expect there to be issues with it (including security-related), but the DSLReports thread linked by @fyodor indicates it works for a finite (non-zero) number of people. I leave it to the OP as to whether it works for them.
     
  5. Bigg

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    Those are instructions for how to turn a G1100 into a MoCA WAN bridge, they do not mention anything about using it as a MoCA LAN bridge at the same time.

    I'd have to read further, but it's possible that the FiOS STBs are still somehow getting connectivity to Verizon's network, but that wouldn't help in this situation where the OP wants to control a TiVo over the LAN from an iPhone.
     
  6. krkaufman

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    Agreed.
     
  7. Bigg

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    Taken completely out of context. The G1100 is not providing MoCA WAN bridging and MoCA LAN bridging, it's possible it's somehow providing internet via MoCA LAN, but that wouldn't be connected to the user's LAN, making it useless for the OP. Your posts on this topic are confusing, contradictory, and often wrong.
     
  8. krkaufman

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    You're just rude, dude. Well, not just; you're not right, either. I stand by all my posts in this thread, including those offering caveats Re: the suggested dual bridge solution linked by @fyodor. If you want to argue that it doesn't work, take it up with the people in the linked thread that said that it does.

    If you have Verizon TV as well, You'll need to take another Ethernet Cable and run it from one of the Ports on the new Router to one of the 3 Remaining ports on the G1100, that way your new Router will assign IPs to your STBs and they can access the net.

    But, again, my preferred solution, absent a direct Ethernet WAN connection to the Google Wifi router, was a separate MEB1100 to provide the MoCA WAN bridge, leaving the G1100 to supply only MoCA LAN bridging. Of course, an alternative would be to use the G1100 as the MoCA WAN bridge only, and then some other MoCA adapter to function as the MoCA LAN bridge (but that wastes the standard MoCA 2.0 of the G1100).
     
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  9. krkaufman

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    Here's what I love, you're criticizing my posts, but your contribution to the thread...
    ... said make an Ethernet WAN connection (absent any evidence it's possible) and throw out the Google Wifi product. And you get around to repeating in post #21 (though vaguely at best) the simple solution already detailed way back in posts #4-8. SO very helpful.
     
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    I don't recall it being mentioned... what specific TiVo boxes are you dealing with (in order to understand what MoCA functionality each offers)?
     
  11. Bigg

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    I'm not rude, you are the one posting misleading and confusing information that I am volunteering to clean up for the OP, as you're making something semi-confusing far more confusing by misinterpreting what was posted on DSLReports.com.

    The OP in the DSLR thread didn't do that, and I don't think it will work. No one seems to have tested that configuration. It sounds like some wishful thinking on the DSLR OP's part.

    Those two configurations would actually work. Really, any FiOS router could be used for either the LAN or WAN adapters.

    I've contributed far more to this thread than your confusing and misleading posts.

    It's always possible if someone wants to do it. New FiOS installs are done with Ethernet WAN, and Verizon techs find a way to run the wiring.

    The Google Wi-Fi product is a bad product, it has poor performance and doesn't support bridge mode. It is a poor choice for the OP's setup, so getting something that's more appropriate for the application is the best advice.

    In the OP's situation, if the OP can run Ethernet from the Google Wi-Fi router to the TiVo, then the TiVo can make the MoCA network instead of the G1100. The only issue is having two MoCA LANs at the same time, OP would have to turn MoCA LAN off on the G1100, and let the TiVo create the MoCA LAN for the other TiVos.
     
  12. krkaufman

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    As noted above, you appear to not be reading everything posted.

    I'm good at this point. The MEB1100 solution detailed early-on would work; the OP can try @fyodor's dual bridge suggestion (as others *have* per the linked thread), or not, no skin off my back. And if they can instead get Ethernet to their third-party mesh router or the router to the Ethernet, more the better.

    p.s. You may also want to take up your crusade with the maintainers of the DSLReports FAQ on Verizon router configuration options (link); specifically option #5 "Double Bridge." (ref'd via @fyodor's linked thread) The thread linked by @fyodor for the G1100 echoes the MI424-WR Rev. I setup detailed.
     
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  13. Bigg

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    Interesting. So someone did get it to work with an Actiontec router. That's a pretty wild setup. I wonder if it would work with a G1100 as well?
     
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    So the "double bridge" from a quick look seems to involve adding a second connection from the Verizon router LAN port to the user router LAN port.
     
  15. krkaufman

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    Correct. It made more sense on the older MI424-WR revs where the broadband MoCA and Ethernet ports could be assigned separately; the Rev I and G1100 lack this ability and so I’ve never been as comfortable with it on these models, with the FiOS device’s built-in LAN switch being used for both bridges.


    You mean other than the author of the post linked by @fyodor? :rolleyes:
     
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  16. Bigg

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    The author of that post wasn't using MoCA LAN.
     
  17. krkaufman

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    You are wrong, though some credit is due for persistence; it surely serves you well in some facet of life, even if it makes this thread resemble the undead.
     
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