Moca connection with Ethernet plugged in

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    serial_port_me05 Member

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    I have a question. Hopefully I’m asking the right way.

    Currently have fios using moca throughout the house.

    Because I’m using google Wifi I have a double nat situation.

    I am think a switch into the google Wifi and Ethernet to the TiVo would keep them on the same network so I can control the TiVo with my iPhone.
    Thoughts?

    Thank you!
     
  2. krkaufman

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    Maybe?

    You'd need to provide more details on just what devices you have that are connected via MoCA (any FiOS set-tops or are you all TiVo?), as well as how and why you're currently double-NAT'ing. Do you want to use Google Wifi as your primary router, or the G1100? How is your WAN Internet connection currently linked to the G1100, via Ethernet or the MoCA WAN (coax)?
     
  3. serial_port_me05

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    No Fios boxes in the house just Tivo's. I am only double NAT'ing because it was requiring too much work to have the 1100 work as a bridge or the Google work as a bridge or whatever.

    I want to use Google Wifi as my primary router for both wired and wifi. The internet is connected though the 1100 via coax.

    Coax to G1100, ethernet to Google Wifi.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    One simple solution might be to use an MEB1100 (eBay) as your MoCA/Ethernet WAN bridge, rather than the G1100, and then use the G1100 only for the MoCA LAN bridging.
     
  5. serial_port_me05

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    Hi, thank you. Can you elaborate a little bit of that set up? What do I need to do to the 1100? I am usually pretty good at this stuff, but haven’t done much in the way of networking to set things up like this. Thanks!
     
  6. fyodor

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    EDIT:Ignore this post and read farther down.

    I assume from your question that right now the ONT fiber gateway interfaces with the G1100 by Ethernet not by Coax. This is what you would do.

    1. Log into the G1100 and go to the "Broadband" connection and see if it lets you release your IP address. I don't remember if this is possible or effective.
    2. Disconnect the G1100 from the ONT and plug the ONT Ethernet into the uplink port for the google wifi. This will become your primary router. You may need to call Verizon to have them release your IP address and make this your regular IP.
    3. Once your Internet is up and running with the Verizon router.
    4. Plug a laptop into the G1100 via Ethernet. Log into the admin screen and do the following
    a. Disable the broadband/Internet connection.
    b. Go to the administration for the LAN (I think it'll be called "Home/Ethernet" or somesuch) and (1) disable DHCP and (2) give it an IP address in the subnet of your google wifi network which isn't in use (e.g. if network is 192.168.1.XXX, give it 192.168.1.255) Note, once this happens, your laptop will stop being able to talk to it through the Ethernet since it won't be at the same IP address and won't be doing DHCP for the laptop.
    5. Plug an Ethernet cable into one of the local networking (not uplink) ports of the G1100 and the other end into a LAN port of your google network router. If unplugged, plug a coax cable back into the MoCA LAN port of your G1100.

    The G1100 should now act as a MoCA bridge, bridging the Tivos via MoCA to your local network.
     
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  7. krkaufman

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    Negative:
     
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    Assuming you mean the “G” and not “MEB” 1100, once you have the Google WiFi router successfully setup as your main router, with the MEB1100 acting as a MoCA/Ethernet WAN bridge, you’d effectively do what @fyodor just detailed in the prior post, setup the G1100 strictly as a MoCA LAN adapter.
     
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    OK, this oddly makes it easier for the OP, since this is a more common problem with more detailed instructions available. Do what they say here. These instructions are to allow your G1100 to act as a MoCA WAN bridge (connecting your google router to the ONT), but it should also continue to act as a MoCA LAN bridge, connecting your Tivos.

    [Networking] HOW TO: Bridge G1100 So your Router becomes Primary - Verizon FiOS | DSLReports Forums

    I am assuming for the purposes of this post that the COAX is feeding back towards a splitter of some kind, some of which go to Tivos, another of which goes to the ONT. If this isn't correct, I may not be able to help.
     
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  10. serial_port_me05

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    Great. Thank you! I’ll do some messing around over the weekend. Appreciate the help.
     
  11. Bigg

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    Either connect Google WiFi to the ONT via Ethernet, and then use the G1100 as a MoCA bridge (not router) downstream of Google WiFi or better yet get a better mesh system, both in terms of performance, and one that can mesh in bridge mode like Eero or Orbi.

    That's just not going to work, as you've got the TiVo on the G1100's network, and the iPhone on the Google Wi-Fi's network.

    Not going to work with the TiVo on the G1100's network and the iPhone on the Google Wi-Fi's network.
     
  12. serial_port_me05

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    Thanks. Got it. If I plug in Ethernet through from the google Wifi - but the coax with moca is also plugged in, which network would the TiVo be on?
     
  13. krkaufman

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    Ignore @Bigg’s reply *unless* you can establish a direct Ethernet connection between your ONT and Google WiFi router. An Ethernet WAN connection between the ONT and your router would be preferable over a MoCA/coax WAN, but moot absent the Cat5/6 cabling between the ONT and router locations.

    Of course, being a mesh setup, an Ethernet connection between the ONT and router *may* be possible if you’re flexible on the location of the router.
     
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    Incorrect. The instructions linked by @fyodor document how to leverage the G1100 only as a MoCA WAN & LAN bridge, rather than gateway, allowing the Google WiFi box to function as the primary router. There would only be one network, established by the Google WiFi router; the G1100’s “router” and wireless functions are disabled.

    (I don’t understand how the G1100’s switch can be used for both the WAN and LAN links to the third-party router but am putting faith in the success reports. My suggestion to use a MEB1100 for the MoCA WAN bridge eliminates this potential issue.)
     
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  15. serial_port_me05

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    If I come out of the google Wifi router via Ethernet to the back of the TiVo is the network going to be my moca network coming from the coax or my google network?

    Dumb question?
     
  16. fyodor

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    There are a lot of ways to peel this onion. I would probably have just wired up some access points via MoCA and skipped the google wifi altogether.
     
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    Basically, the idea behind this is that you won't have separate "MoCA" or Google networks. Your G1100 will just act as a media bridge, but they'll all be on one network.
     
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    This seems like something people do, but the more I think about it, I don't understand how the Tivos will talk to the LAN if they're going in through the non-Fios router's uplink port.
     
  19. krkaufman

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    The 2nd Ethernet connection between the FiOS G1100 and 3rd party router (LAN-to-LAN) effects the MoCA LAN bridge. I would just expect issues associated with the LAN and WAN connections sharing a switch, which may be at the bottom of the post discussing DHCP issues following power cycles of the equipment. The older MI424-WR FiOS gateways allowed for a bit more granular control of the WAN Ethernet and MoCA interfaces, allowing the 2 bridges to be entirely isolated.
     
  20. krkaufman

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    Ambiguous question, anyway; it all depends on how the G1100 and Google WiFi boxes are connected and configured.

    If setup per the “G1100 as MoCA WAN/LAN bridge-only” instructions linked by @fyodor, you would have a single network — with Ethernet devices connected downstream of any open LAN ports on the G1100 and Google router, and MoCA-capable boxes connecting via the G1100’s MoCA LAN bridge.
     

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