MLB One Pass Scheduling Logic

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  1. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Not sure if this is happening in all markets, but here in NY, when a Yankee game is broadcast simultaneously on MLB, TBS or ESPN, along with YES, my local regional sports network, the MLB one-pass insists on scheduling the national airing, instead of the YES network airing. Nine times out of ten, that game is blacked-ou in my market and I wind up recording 3-4 hours of empty screen.

    The channels on my cable system (Optimum) are numbered as follows:

    715 YESHD
    736 ESPN
    739 TNT
    790 MLB

    Note that YESHD is the lowest numbered channel. Is that the case for other cable systems? If so, scheduling the lowest numbered channel would guarantee the RSN is the MLB OnePass selection that gets recorded.

    If not, would be nice if RSNs in each market could be flagged somehow, so that the MLB One-Pass logic knows to choose it.

    As you can see below, the 7/26 game was scheduled to record on 739 (TNT), instead of 715 (YES). TNT was blacked-out in my market.

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    Is the RSN in your area numbered lower than ESPN, TNT and MLB? Thanks in advance for comments.
     
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  2. series5orpremier

    series5orpremier Well-Known Member

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    I've had that problem. I appear to getting around it just fine this year with this strategy:

    1. create a one-pass for your favorite team.
    2. create a wishlist with lower priority that excludes your favorite team (and any other team you want to exclude - the list can get rather long if you don't want a bunch of games in your to-do list that don't involve your favorite team). The season pass appears to be picking up my teams games on the regional sports net while the wishlist excludes the simulcasts on MLB Network and other channels. When the game isn't on the regional sports net the one pass (set to ALL channels) still picks up my team's game because it's a higher priority than the wishlist that excludes it. YMMV. If it still doesn't work for you I'd change the OnePass channels from ALL to YES, and just be aware of the ESPN exclusive Sunday Night games and if there are any FOX exclusives.

    By the way, my regional sports net is the highest channel number on the list and not the lowest like yours, and I'd still have the same problem as you without the above strategy.
     
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  3. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Thanks for the thoughtful reply!

    One of the problems I have is the MLB Yankees OnePass doesn't allow me to limit channels. It's hard-wired to "ALL".

    What would help is if I could create a Wishlist search with the keyword "Yankees", plus the keyword for "live" or "first run", and plus the keyword "YESHD" (or Channel 715). If I made it a higher priority than the Yankees MLB OnePass, whenever a game is on YESHD (715), it would record on 715, even if it was also available on another channel. And if the game was on FOX or ESPN only, the lower priority MLB OnePass would catch it.

    Problem is I don't seem to be able to find a way to search for "live", "First run" or the channel name or number in the WishList.
     
  4. series5orpremier

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    So I assume that means what's working for me isn't working for you, with your talk of alternatives. I have faith there's some way to do it so it works, but it may take some trial and error.

    If your program data is anything like mine all games regardless of channel start with MLB BASEBALL. If you create a One Pass for MLB BASEBALL instead of YANKEES then you should be able to limit the channel to YESHD and Record to NEW ONLY. I'd try making that the highest priority before anything else, but that still wouldn't pick up exclusives on ESPN and FOX. Then maybe mess around with wishlists of lower priority to attempt picking up ESPN and FOX games without interfering with the YESHD games.
     
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    Forgot to mention I did try creating an "MLB" OnePass for YESHD, "New games only". Somehow it thinks that only "Yankees Classics" games should be recorded. Doesn't even try to schedule any live 2020 games. Sigh.
     
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    Try a Wishlist of either higher or lower priority to that One Pass for keyword "MLB Baseball", title keyword "Yankees", and also in that title keyword exclude -"Classic". That's where I also exclude a bunch of other teams and if the wishlist is of lower priority excluding Yankees instead of including it also might work. But it sounds like a mess.
     
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    Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Thanks. I just set up your suggested search.

    Only tonight's and tomorrow's Yanks games are in the guide data right now. Tonite on Fox, tomorrow nite on ESPN. Both of those were correctly scheduled. Since neither one of these is being simultaneously aired on YESHD, I don't yet know how this Wish List will perform. Will have to wait and see.

    I've got two Bolts, so I'll use this search on one and my "Yankees, MLB" OnePass on the other.

    Edited to add:

    Noticed the Mets have two games upcoming that air both nationally and on their RSN, SNY (718), so I tried setting up the above Wishlist search. -Classic gets rid of the classic games, but as far as new games go, it's failing the same as my "Yankees, MLB" OnePass. It's ignoring the live broadcasts on SNY (718) and instead scheduling the TBS (739) and FS1 (769) broadcasts of those same games. :(

    If only there was a way to include a network or channel number as a keyword.
     
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    Steve

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    Yesterdays influx of new Guide game data allowed me to create an “MLB” OnePass for YESNY! I made it number one priority. At number two is my existing “Yankees” OnePass, hardwired to “all” channels. Both are set to “new only.”

    So, in theory, if a new Yankees game appears on YES, that’s the one that should record, even if it’s also being simulcast on a blacked-out “national” channel. :praying:

    There are no upcoming situations like this in the current Guide data, so time will tell if this works.
     
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    New Guide data finally shows an 8/18 7PM Tampa@Yankees game that is scheduled to air both on ESPN (736) and YESHD (715). I'm happy to report the suggested work-around solved my problem. The higher priority "MLB/YESHD" OnePass scheduled the YESHD airing before the "MLB/Yankees" OnePass could get it on ESPN!

    Thanks again for pointing me in this direction!
     

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    My TiVo won't allow me to choose the channel that carries the game I want. (In my case, NESN on 851 for the Bruins NHL telecasts). It always inserts "all" in the channel choice no matter how I try to set it up. For this reason, it appears that, for me, the Wishlist workaround is always being thwarted. I always get NBCSN on 865 (broadcasting hour upon hour of Mecum auto auctions) and never NESN on 851. Any thoughts?
     
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    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Try searching for "NHL", then select "NHL Hockey", not "NHL". That should let you choose the channel. If it does, you can make that a higher priority than the "Bruins Hockey" (ALL) one pass.
     
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    Thanks--getting closer. It still isn't letting me select the channel for my wish list on NBCSN unless I don't specify the team(s), which exposes me to too many other teams I don't care about, and too many other conditions to weed them out. (Here in Boston, as they say, we root for the Bruins and whoever is playing the Canadiens). However! Your suggestion got me thinking, and I was able to request "NHL Hockey" directly on NESN provided I didn't ask for the Bruins, which is OK, because NESN doesn't show any other NHL hockey except the Bruins. So! I'll get all the regular season games, and I can revisit things when it comes time for the playoffs, and the blackouts start to work in the other direction.

    A lot of work for a simple thing, but too often that's TiVo.
     
  13. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Ya. That's what I do with for my Yankees games now. My "MLB Baseball" pass specifies YESHD, which doesn't show any live games other than Yankees games.

    My lower priority "Yankees (Baseball)" pass picks up the Yankees games broadcast locally on a NY OTA channel and as a FOX game of the week, but not on YES. The national ESPN, MLB, and TBS Yankees broadcasts are generally blacked out here, because they air on YES as well. Hence the need for my two One Passes.

    Along those lines, shouldn't you do a lower priority Bruins (Hockey) one pass, to catch any games that may be airing exclusively on a non-NESN channel, or does that never happen?
     
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    Only time it happens is for the Winter Classic (already past) and for the playoffs when NBC buys the rights--and that's when I'll swap things back. (Hockey isn't as random as baseball, and the B's aren't the Yankees with endless outlets). I really appreciate your help to figure this out. If I wind up with time on my hands some Wednesday night when the national NHL telecast conditions happen again, I'll experiment with a second pass. For now I'm too worried I'll screw things up and miss another game unless I'm home to pay attention as it happens. (And then what's the point of a DVR, eh, TiVo?) Being a software guy myself, it burns me up that lazy TiVo programmers left us without more control over priorities in the way we set the OnePass stuff. If anyone is listening, it should always let us pick the recording channel priorities, and not just leave us with "All" in the specific team case, or only one specific channel as an alternative when creating Wish Lists. (Which is to say, let us avoid network talk show appearances when setting lists for particular actors in movies and TV shows on premium channels, etc.). If only I were elected king...
     
  15. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Another solution for my problem could be to leave "ALL" as the channel default for my Yankees(Baseball) One Pass, but add an "RSN channel" selection option to the One Pass settings screen. The scheduler could automatically choose the RSN, if the same game was scheduled on more than one channel.
     
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    I am trying to work around this problem as well and set it up the same way. The problem is when games are broadcast on WPIX, they may replay on YES later the same day and the replay is the one chosen to record. For instance, on 4/18, the live game is on WPIX at 1 pm. YES replays it at 10 pm. The pass chooses the repeat.
     
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    Same thing here. It's happening because the YES airing at 10PM is flagged as "new", so the higher priority YESHD pass grabs it.

    I wonder if that's a mistake by the folks who create the guide data, or if first-run episodes airing the same day are normally all considered "new"?
     
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    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Speaking of guide data mistakes, take a look at the rest of the guide data for WPIX the afternoon of the game.

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    Not sure of a work around for the WPIX games. There are 21 on the schedule this year and since they are produced by YES, I expect they will all replay on YES afterward and be flagged new. Maybe night games won’t replay until the next day and cause the issue that next week’s day game is causing because it is replaying on the same date. Will just have to keep an eye on the to-do list and adjust accordingly.
     
  20. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Don't know if this will help, but I reported this to the channel lineup folks at Tivo Customer Support Community.

    I suggested that only "live events" be tagged as "new", even if the game recording re-airs the same day.

    They opened a case. Maybe if more of us report it, they'll see the light.
     

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