Missing the first few minutes of recordings

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by kmp14, Oct 5, 2005.

  1. Dec 11, 2005 #61 of 105
    Kevin L

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    Welcome to TCF, deffman.

    The only problem with your workaround is the potential for missing entire recordings. For example. Let's say you have two shows you want to record on a tuner, one that runs from 8:00 to 9:00 PM, and the other from 9:00 PM to 10:00 PM. If you set up your recording to start early, the 9:00 PM to 10:00 PM show will not record, because it now conflicts with the 8:00 to 9:00 PM show.

    Unfortunately, an unmodified TiVo isn't smart enough to handle that conflict intelligently. It should resolve the conflict by starting the 9:00 PM to 10:00 PM show as soon as the 8:00 to 9:00 PM show stops recording.
     
  2. Dec 11, 2005 #62 of 105
    leftcoastdave

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    This late start problem may be old news to many on this forum. There have been several threads suggesting that the problem is software and several other threads theorizing it is the result of a failing hard drive.

    Suggested solutions ranged from replacing the hard drive(s) to clearing off old content or doing a clear and delete. From what I could see, the results for those who tried the clear and deletes have been inconsistent but folks replacing hard drives have reported no further problems.

    Initially I tried removing older content and obsolete SP's and this cured the problem for about 7 days. Shortly thereafter I encountered what seemed like endless system resets during playback, live TV and recording events. Previously the resets were random and sprinkled in with late starts.

    After reading what seems like hundreds of posts on this subject I regretfully came to the conclusion that my problems were likely caused by a failing hard file. At this juncture I collaborated with tech support at WeaKnees and I sent both the factory and upgraded hard files in my 19 month old modded unit to them. Both passed diagnostics leaving the situation still in doubt. They did tell me the diags are not a 100% indicator of drive health and they offered to replace the expansion drive with a newer unit since it was barely out of warranty.

    Being a belt and suspenders kind of guy, I decided to replace both drives and to go back through a complete guided setup. I did so two weeks ago and for what it is worth, the system resets have stopped and I have not had one late start event since the drive replacement.

    The solution in my situation was to replace the hardfiles. I am doubtful the problem resides with the satellite clock or with the software because my second, albeit newer, upgraded HR10-250 has never shown any of the symptoms described herein.

    One other interesting item of note is that the problem of four to five minute delays in adding SP's and recording events has gone away following the hard file replacements. Previously I had under 30 SP's and when I would add a new recording or a new SP, it would take an average of four minutes to accept the new event, whereas now with 20 events, additions are as fast as when I first activated the unit in June, 2004.

    Maybe there is something to this theory that corrupted software from old events might be slowing the units down.
     
  3. Dec 12, 2005 #63 of 105
    rgreenpc

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    I am a victim of the dread missing minutes...

    The only time I seem to get them though is when I am recording 2 HD shows at the same time and they back up to other shows....

    The biggest offender is ABC on Sunday nights...

    For some reason Grey's Anatomy starts 1 - 2 minutes late and Desperate Housewives goes an extra minute or 2.

    I am going to monitor it very closely this week and see what happens.

    I have about 18 season passes ( 95% are HD )

    I have only noticed the issue start in the last 8 - 10 weeks.

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    My only question: If the TIVO thinks its 8:58 it won't record the show that is starting at 9:00 even though its on, correct? It doesn't look for SMPTE code changes or anything ( does HD even still have SMPTE code? )

    OK.... thats 2 questions.
     
  4. Dec 12, 2005 #64 of 105
    Its_Kemosabe

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  5. Dec 12, 2005 #65 of 105
    leftcoastdave

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    I replaced them both with a WeaKnees plug and play drive set of twin 300GB drives.
     
  6. Feb 3, 2006 #66 of 105
    newsposter

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    everyone still having the problem? Having that little bit of 'blank' space on the bar and missing something like the start of law and order is a bit disconcerting.
     
  7. Feb 3, 2006 #67 of 105
    cowart

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    Last night I lost a few minutes from the middle of an OTA show. At one point in the middle of the blank spot in the recording, the screen went blue and an error message appeared, reading "Video Alert" and some numbers. It was only on screen for a few seconds.
     
  8. Feb 3, 2006 #68 of 105
    videojanitor

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    Yep. Happens to me on almost every show.
     
  9. Feb 3, 2006 #69 of 105
    leftcoastdave

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    As stated in a couple of posts above, I replaced both the drives on my failing 18 month old HR10-250 on December 1, 2005.

    I can report that I have had zero late starts, zero system reboots, and zero partial recordings in the two months since.

    Dave
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  10. Feb 3, 2006 #70 of 105
    videojanitor

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    Dave,

    Thanks for reposting that info -- I may just have to bite the bullet and order a new drive. Although missing the first minute or so of a show is kind of annoying, I do get spontaneous reboots every now again (I'd say, once or twice a month), and that is a real drag. Never had either of these problems until about six months ago ...
     
  11. Feb 3, 2006 #71 of 105
    newsposter

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    I'm wondering though, with a relatively wide spread problem across this thread (ok not like 100s of us but you get my drift), how all these drives could be going at the same time? I guess if we are all using the same original drives it's possible. But boy does this stink.

    I do need to upgrade but i'm cheap :)....waiting for even a bigger dip in prices.
     
  12. Feb 3, 2006 #72 of 105
    boiler11

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    I really don't think it's a hard drive problem. I have my unit hacked and I can see the logs. I have occasionally had a hard drive error, but not at the same time as the "missing first few minutes" problem. I haven't had the "missing first few minutes" problem in a while.

    You may have a failing hard drive, but I don't believe it's the cause of the "missing first few minutes" problem.
     
  13. Feb 3, 2006 #73 of 105
    txfeinbergs

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    Guys, we have been through this a bunch before (do a search on reboots). Do a clear and delete, and your unit will be fine. There is some sort of very slow corruption/bug/memory leak in the SW for the High Def TIVO (very slow in that it takes about a year+ to build up). After the Clear and Delete, all your problems will be solved and you will be good for another year or so.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2006 #74 of 105
    videojanitor

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    I guess I will give that try before ordering a new drive -- the thing really went bananas tonight -- so far, it's rebooted five times in the span of about four hours.

    EDIT: Well, after reading various threads about this problem, there didn't seem to be any absolute proof that a C&D would cure this. To that end, I just decided to throw money at the problem and ordered a new drive. At least that way, I'm virtually guaranteed it will be fixed. If the old drive turns out to be fine, I can always use it for something else.
     
  15. Feb 4, 2006 #75 of 105
    newsposter

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    janitor please keep this thread updated if you ever have the problem again..would help the timeline if indeed the new drive cures it

    and if it doesn't fix it, that's important to know too
     
  16. Feb 4, 2006 #76 of 105
    videojanitor

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    I will definitely post my experience. In reading what others have said, I don't think I've seen one message where someone said they replaced the drive and still had the problem -- so, I am hopeful.
     
  17. Feb 4, 2006 #77 of 105
    txfeinbergs

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    Replacing the drive of course will solve the problem. It is about the same as doing a Clear and Delete (which completely cleans up the drive with the exception of the operating system and core program). Of course, a Clear and Delete is free to do - but with a drive replacement, you can take the opportunity to get a bigger drive, and also won't lose the channel icons.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2006 #78 of 105
    videojanitor

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    I ordered a replacement drive from Weaknees. I could have obtained a blank drive myself and done all the work to transfer the operating system over, etc. (done it before, many times on SD TiVos), but I don't feel like messing around with it -- I just want to drop it in and have it work. Not sure if their drives have icons on or not -- that will be interesting to see, though I don't really care either way.
     
  19. Feb 4, 2006 #79 of 105
    bobng

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    I experienced the same lost minutes, slow recording time etc. I did a "Clear programs and to do list"; which took several hours. That corrected my problems for about four months now. I notice that the recording time is starting to slow again this week. If I start losing minutes again I'll do it again. My unit is an original 1K model.
     
  20. Feb 4, 2006 #80 of 105
    newsposter

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    why would a bad/filled/fragmented or whatever drive cause it to not start 'on time?" I thought reboots and dropouts and pixels are signs of a bad drive.
     

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