Missed "first run only" season pass - Will TiVo record a repeat to cover missed pgm?

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  1. Cartrivision

    Cartrivision New Member

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    If you set up a "first run only" season pass, and a higher priority season pass prevents the first one from being recorded, but there are one or more "repeats" of the same program on in the same week, will Tivo record one of the repeats to cover the missed recording of the first run episode... even though the season pass is set up to record first runs only?

    What about if the repeat is on a different channel, such as CNBC repeats of The Apprentice a few days after they appear on NBC?
     
  2. balboa dave

    balboa dave well rounded

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    Yes.

    No. A SP is for one channel only. You need to set up as a Wishlist for a show on different channels.
     
  3. Cartrivision

    Cartrivision New Member

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    That's really bad operating logic on TiVo's part. So if I set up a season pass on the DirecTV east coast feed of HBO and there is a conflict that prevents it from being recorded, TiVo won't catch it on the west coast HBO (or one of the other 5 or so HBO channels I get).

    There should be an "any channel option" for season passes to enable recording the season pass on any channel that the program can be found on.
     
  4. balboa dave

    balboa dave well rounded

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    That would be a good suggestion.
     
  5. David Platt

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    There is-- it's called an Auto-Recording WishList. SPs are channel-specific; WLs are not. The limitations on the SP are there for a reason-- if SPs recorded from any channel, can you imagine how quickly you hard drive would fill up, for instance, if you had a SP set to record First Runs & Repeats of Law & Order? Instead of just grabbing the episodes from this season on NBC, it would grabe the multiple daily showings on cable channels as well.
     
  6. NotVeryWitty

    NotVeryWitty Too Big to Fail

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    You *can* use Season Passes to do what the OP is asking for. Simply set up two Season Passes for The Apprentice, one on NBC and one on CNBC. If you set them both up for first-run only, Tivo is smart enough to recognize that the same episode is airing on both channels, and will only record one of them.

    I have SP's for a number of PBS programs. Since the Boston area has two PBS stations, which usually air the same shows at different (and multiple) times, I set up the SP's twice, once for each station.
     
  7. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I use a combo of Season pass and wishlist. Law & Order is a good example

    I have my season pass for specific ones I want like Criminal Intent set for first run only and keep until I delete and keep at most 3 . That way first runs show up as green balls and I know they will not be deleted until I watch them.

    Below that in the prioroity list I have a wishlist for just "Law & order" and keep at most 10 and Keep until space needed - this way I get repeats and the occasional conflict repeat of new ones. I can watch these or not and just keep getting a fresh supply of shows that were not recorded already in the past 28 days.

    with the wishlist seperate I can tone down the law & orders to 5 if I want some space for other things like when Christmas specials roll around.
     
  8. tgibbs

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    In general, repeats of a show the same week are not flagged in the Program Guide as Reruns, so a "first run only" SP will pick them up, but only if they are on the same channel. If the rerun is on a different channel, you will need to special-case it or create a WishList. You can check to see whether the TiVo will pick up a repeat by looking at the "Upcoming Episodes" list for that show and seeing if any of the repeats are checked. You can also force the recording of an upcoming repeat from this screen.
     
  9. aindik

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    I think another part of the OPs question is what "first run" means (i.e. is the rerun on CNBC later in the week still "first run"). It means within x number of days after the Original Air Date. Anyone know what x is?
     
  10. aindik

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    You should always use a wishlist when recording HBO series. A new episode of the Sopranos will air on something like four different channels (HBO and HBO2, east and west) during the week. You want to make sure your TiVo catches it if it misses the first airing on Sunday nights (when everything else is on).
     
  11. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Whether a show is listed as a 'repeat' or not in the Program Guide has nothing to do with whether a show is treated as a repeat by TiVo. As others have mentioned, it's an algorithm based on the Original Air Date which is (mostly) listed on the details screen for each show (hit display/enter button on your remote to get there).

    I don't know how the algorithm works, but I do remember one season where Stargate SG-1's Guide Data was showing up with the OAD for the UK first airings, which were sufficiently ahead of the broadcast date in the US to cause our FRO SPs and WLs to miss it.

    I agree with your later remarks that it's a good idea to look at the Upcoming Episodes to pick up a repeat manually if you have to.

    I also think it's helpful to look at the To Do List and see what TiVo has scheduled to record for you, especially the Recording History where it will show what isn't going to record. Sometimes you'll get surprised and a recording will be missed, but it's better to catch it in the To Do List rather than come home and find your show isn't in the Now Playing as you wanted.

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  12. Cartrivision

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    That's fine if your program has a unique enough name that it can set up as a wishlist, but if the title of the program that you want to catch on any channel has a one word title that's commonly found in many other program titles, a wishlist isn't a good option. That's why there should be an "any channel" option for season passes.
     
  13. Cartrivision

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    Obviously I'm not the first one to think of it. It's one of the suggestions that TiVo is asking their users to vote for on their suggestion form here:

    http://research.tivo.com/suggestions/

    (it's the 8th one down on the check-list)
     
  14. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    actually I had the case recently of Andromeda switching networks. I missed some shows in my season pass and did not have a wishlist for it. :(
     
  15. tgibbs

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    I do wish TiVo had an "Any channel" option for Season Passes. Some non-TiVo DVRs have this option. This is becoming increasingly useful now that some channels have partner channels that get the same show later in the week.
     
  16. NotVeryWitty

    NotVeryWitty Too Big to Fail

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    While I agree it would be nice if Tivo had an "any channel" option on Season Passes, you can still get things to work correctly if you just set up a Season Pass for each of the "partner channels" (see my previous message above). This really works, everyone! There's no need to resort to wishlists.
     
  17. Cartrivision

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    Sure that works, but I have 7 HBO channels and I don't want to have to set up 7 season passes to cover all the broadcast possibilities.

    Also that does no good if you don't know that a "partner channel" rebroadcasts first run programming a few days later. For instance, I never knew that CNBC did this for "The Apprentice" until I saw it accidentally, so I would never have even known to set up the same season pass on both NBC and CNBC.

    Sure, wishlists are a partial workaround, but hardly a perfect solution. For instance a wishlist for the HBO program "Oz", would potentially match one of the close to 100 other titles listed in the IMDB with the word "Oz" in the title.
     
  18. OLdDog

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    This is where you get a little creative with the WLs and the problem is solved.

    While a title wish list for Oz has matches that are not wanted a key word wl for OZ Actor name, where actor name is one of the actors listed in every episode, will get the shows you want.

    There seems to always be something unique in the description that allows a key word WL to focus down to the level desired.
     
  19. dgh

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    Also, while there may be a hundred matches in IMDB, a wishlist for OZ (with no other restrictions like actors or categories) in my two hundred-channel line-up produced no matches in the next two weeks. So it's probably not as bad in practice as it sounds.
     
  20. Cartrivision

    Cartrivision New Member

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    You and OLdDog are missing the point. I know that there are creative wishlist definitions that can solve the problem MOST (but not all) of the time, but the point was that adding an "any channel" option to season passes was the better and more elegant solution.
     

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