Migrating to Amazon Recast from TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Charles R, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. Charles R

    Charles R Active Member

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    Sounds like a good excuse... in reality not so much such as lip-sync being a network issue? Encoding issue where the entire image is "fine" outside of a small area where it is pixelated (clear encoding overload) not similar to image breakup and lack of bandwidth.

    Last night I ran an extended test on Recast's network speed... WiFi never dropped below 90 Mbps to the Internet... locally it should be faster. And the Recast is Ethernet.
     
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  2. mdavej

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    Realize that Recast will try to use it's own wifi if the connection isn't solid. This can cause the PQ to degrade. There is a procedure for disabling that, but you'll have to search for it. I don't remember the exact sequence.
     
  3. Charles R

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    Not if you disable it... also from the 711 page Throughput checks out.
     
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  4. mdavej

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    That's what I'm saying. You have to disable it. Sounds like you already have.

    How do you access 711 page?
     
  5. Charles R

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    To put the network "issue" to bed I have locally streamed (on the same device) more hours of 4K content than I have Recast without any issues.
    Hold Rewind+Left Arrow for three seconds than press Menu - Home to exit.
     
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  6. Adam C.

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    Do you have your Recast connected to the network via Ethernet? That's how mine is set up and I have never seen any of the issues you describe. If nothing else you may have a defective unit (especially with that picture breakup issue). It might be worth doing an exchange just to see what happens.
     
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  7. Charles R

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    Yes - as posted previously.
    Honestly I think it has to do with tolerance levels. As an example my wife is very sensitive to lip-sync... I won't notice and she'll point it out and at the point I can't help but see it. Same with minor encoding issues (only logical explanation) they don't jump at you however occasionally I'll notice such and my wife would never spot or remark about it.
     
  8. NJChris

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    I've had the recast since it came out. I also have a bolt that can do OTA, but it's tuner is horrible so I have it sitting in the closet. I like that PlutoTV integrates into the channel guide.

    It's done what it needs to do. It would be nice to have commercial skip (I read it's being beta tested now?), but you can also use the remote voice input to say skip ahead 3 minutes or skip 30 seconds at a time with the remote.

    I haven't noticed any lip sync issues and the only time the picture breaks up is if the signal reception isn't good enough.
     
  9. Charles R

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    As I posted earlier for me both (easily) pick up the channels I record - even with the signal split.
    Over the years have I tried PlutoTV on a couple of occasions and never made it past two minutes because of the content and its experience... I'll never get that bored. :)
     
  10. Charles R

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    Well after two weeks I'd still pick TiVo as the better experience - it's no contest for my wife... TiVo all the way. If TiVo (versus Recast) was the new experience I'm certain I would be much more excited about swapping. At this point I feel like I'll be giving up more than I'll be gaining. However I'm still in the "mood" for change so I listed TiVo for sell (upgraded to a 1TB WD purple drive I had sitting around) and if it sells for a reasonable price it's gone. If not the Recast will go back in a month or so. I refuse to do an even swap and end up with a worse experience. :)

    Current thinking...

    Recast
    - Headphone support via Bluetooth
    - One interface with Internet streaming
    - Better image on some channels
    - Worse image on some channels - especially buffering/low quality at the beginning of playback and the rare encoding issue

    TiVo
    - Slicker recording with clipping
    - Better image stability - even with "great" wireless the Recast occasionally has an issue
    - AutoSkip and overall better user interface - two examples: no guide buffering and easier to find guide data such as season/episode/air date.
     
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  11. Adam C.

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    I still use my Roamio as my primary means of watching TV, but I have started using the Recast more often to test it out. One thing I have noticed this week with the Recast is that there seems to be a subtle jerkiness or stutter to the video, most noticeable when there is motion. It doesn't even need to be fast motion, it can be as simple as someone turning their head or walking across a room. It seems that it may be the frame rate that is too low but I can't tell for sure. I have tried watching the same show with my Roamio and I don't notice the stutter, so it's definitely a Recast issue.
     
  12. Charles R

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    I find the video to be a mixed bag... for native 720p channels I generally prefer Recast over TiVo. For 1080i channels it's usually a draw. I haven't "studied" the topic outside of several A/B swaps during the first few days.

    Of course Recast is always encoding the video which I think can easily explain most differences. I typically find TiVo to be "softer" lacking a little detail and having a little less contrast. I haven't caught Recast applying (overly so) any edge enhancement so I don't find it overly sharp. At the same time the Recast pretty much never feels as "stable" for a variety of reasons.

    Again most of the time I'll prefer Recast however during a good portion I won't... and I don't think those times are wireless related however I would like to try the Ethernet adapter just to check it out. I had issues streaming local native 4K videos until I switched to 5GHz... my Bluetooth headphones were stepping on the stream.
     
  13. stuart628

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    so after 2 months of trying recast, there were some positives and there were negatives...and we decided to stick with tivo. I LOVED the integration in the firestick, but to me the video was hands down better on the tivo (using 4k tvs and a sony hw40es projector). The big reason we are going to stick with tivo is really two reasons. #1 commercial skip and watching a show in fast mode....also #2. The tuners on the recast are way tooo sensitive.....every show I recorded on the recast would pop up with signal quality issues and low signal pop ups but I was at 75+ on tivo (yes I switched cables just to make sure) anyways my current setup will now be a caavo control center with a firestick 4k for streaming apps (espn, disney plus , movies anywhere etc.) Directv box for live tv, tivo for OTA since I have a lifetime bolt...this works the best for the family and I, so I am going to be selling the 4 tuner 1 tb recast I have and sticking with tivo
     
  14. Charles R

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    Makes sense. If price is close I think it's hard to justify Recast over TiVo (in most cases). Regarding the tuners you could try removing the splitter and see if that helps. Also I think "low signal" can be misleading (at times) as where an iffy wireless connection will trigger the "false" message. I have seen it at times (before relocating the Fire TV 4K) and checking the station's signal strength it would be reported as "good" or some such.
     
  15. Adam C.

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    I'll continue using my Roamio OTA on my primary TVs since I have a Lifetime subscription anyway and no pre-roll ads. So that's a no-brainer. I will keep the Recast and use that for mobile streaming as well as streaming to my secondary TV's that I don't use very often.
     
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    I also have not had this issue with my Recast.... Are you using a wireless connection? Also, you have some options for sync via your host device (Amazon Cube....etc.) for sound sync.
     
  17. Charles R

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    I think we pretty well covered the wireless aspect earlier in the thread.
     
  18. Puppy76

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    Does Amazon still inanely leave WiFi Direct pairing on 24/7 (or Bluetooth?)

    I had a fire tv first gen years back that I liked fairly well, but got rid of it when amazon updated the software to leave it in pairing mode 24/7. Ridiculous and dangerous.

    i’m so glad to see this thread. Even aside from the Wi-Fi direct issue, the Amazon solution sounds a little flaky. Lip-synch and an unstable image would be complete dealbreaker‘s for me. But I do love that there’s a second name brand company making a DVR now!

    there’s really no future guide data? That sounds like a deal breaker to me too. I could make do with less than two weeks probably, but if I can’t even look forward to the next day or two, I don’t know how that would work.
     
  19. Adam C.

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    I just checked and I have 10 days of guide data.
     
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  20. Charles R

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    I updated the first post with my Conclusion - I returned the Recast.. It's just my experience and I can easily see why it wouldn't be the same for others.
     
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