MFS Tools 3.2

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  1. jmbach

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    If you had a spare drive that you can put that 320GB i.age on, then yes, with MFSTools you can copy the drive over to the 4 TB drive and use the whole image.

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  2. Inventionroom

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    Ok. Thanks for the info! While I have your ear, is it necessary to boot extra drive with the 320gb image and set it up on my TiVo before pulling it back out and doing the MFScopy to the 4tb drive?... or can I MFSCopy the extra drive with image to the 4tb without installing and setting it up on my TiVo first? (And then set up the 4tb of course).
     
  3. jmbach

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    It depends on the state of the image. Likely you will not need to boot the original image first.
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  4. Jun 1, 2020 #1704 of 1727
    Inventionroom

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    Update:

    [EDIT: After I had done All of this, I was given a link to a 4TB image. Thanks @ggieseke! I would suggest anyone in my Exact situation to try and use the 4TB image in DVRBars and save themselves all of the other steps.]

    This is what appears to have worked for me, using a laptop, USB portable drive, USB hard drive docking station (for new upgrade 4TB drive), Clean TiVo 350GB image [for my TCD746320], DVRBars and MFSTools:

    I used an extra 500GB portable USB drive. In Windows 7, I zeroed it out with WD Data Lifeguard Diagnostics. I was then able to use DVRBars to put the 350GB TiVo image on this USB drive. Of course, this USB drive will not install into my TiVo, so I’m glad I didn’t have to boot and set up a 350GB imaged drive on TiVo before pulling it out to copy and expand with MFSTools.

    I rebooted with the Linux boot disc (created from the latest MFSTools ISO download that has MFSTools 3.32). The laptop had the 500GB USB drive (with restored 350GB image) and a USB docking station plugged in (with new 4TB destination drive docked). I then did the command: mfscopy -ai /dev/sdX /dev/sdY

    (sdX represents the source drive and sdY represents the destination drive).

    It worked.

    I saw posts where other users followed this with: apmfix /dev/sdY

    [EDIT: it has been confirmed that this step was not needed. It is intended to be used with mfsadd command, not mfscopy. So, if you are following this as a guide, skip the apmfix command. Luckily it did not hurt anything.]

    I was unsure if this was necessary but thought I’d try it (this may have been a mistake, I’m not sure). It reported:

    Conversion to 64 bit APM complete

    Pruning Apple_Free partition complete.

    Unable to coalesce. Processing of drive is incomplete.

    I went ahead and put the 4TB drive into the TiVo.. and it booted up (no reboot loops). I checked the system info and it reported 640 HD hours. So, it appears to have worked.

    My concern is that “processing of drive is incomplete” message. I hope that the reported 640 HD hours is true and the additional space is available for use, as I don’t know what “unable to coalesce” might mean. Does anyone think this is an issue that will hurt anything? [EDIT: it was confirmed that this didn’t hurt anything but was unnecessary.]

    Next I called the cable company and had them re-pair the TiVo to the cable card (host ID had changed).

    So, as far as I know, my dead TCD746320 with lifetime service is working again and now has 4TB of storage. I hope that documenting all these steps will provide a potential guide for anyone in the same situation I was in — especially for someone trying to do this with a laptop. See my original post for more context and information. Big thanks to forum members @ggieseke (creator of DVRBars) and @jmbach (contributor to MFSTools)!
     
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  5. Jun 2, 2020 #1705 of 1727
    jmbach

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    You did not need to run apmfix on the copy that you did. It did not hurt anything. It was expecting an added partition pair which was not present since you did not run mfsadd on the drive. (You do not need to run it since you used mfscopy to copy and expand your image to the wbole 4 TB.)

    BTW I did not create MFSTools. All I have done is to make a few modifications for it to work on Bolts.

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  6. Jun 2, 2020 #1706 of 1727
    Inventionroom

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    Thanks for the info on apmfix. Also, I’ve edited my post to say “contributor to MFSTools.” :smile:
     
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    MJedi

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    Hello all,

    I got the recommended Toshiba drive (2TB) to upgrade my 1TB Bolt (White). I used mfscopy -a because I wanted to preserve my recordings. The process completed successfully, but when I plugged the new drive back into the Bolt, I got a red screen with the message "error creating swsystem." I did a kickstart 58, and it went to "Installing an update." I left on that screen overnight, and it did not change the next day. So I erased the new drive and installed it without any copying. The TiVo booted fine. I put the old drive back and it booted fine. I did the mfscopy -a again. Same result. I did the msfcopy without recordings. Same result.

    So now I'm at a loss on what to do.
     
  8. Jun 8, 2020 #1708 of 1727
    jmbach

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    Unfortunately when you erased the new drive and let the Bolt format it, you lost all references to the recordings on your 1 TB drive and consequently and ability to see them anymore. The recordings are still on the 1 TB drive but the map that tells the Bolt where they are has been erased.

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  9. Jun 8, 2020 #1709 of 1727
    MJedi

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    Are you serious? That is terrible news. So the references for the recordings are on the TiVo itself in firmware, and not on the drive?

    Is that why I'm getting these errors and messages on the new drive? Even the first time before I did all of this troubleshooting?

    :rage::cry:
     
  10. Jun 8, 2020 #1710 of 1727
    jmbach

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    Yes. The map to the recordings is on the sqlite partition that on the Bolt is on the internal flash drive. Now ggieseke can correct me here, the sqlite partition has the list of recordings on the drive. The drive has the map itself but without the list, the recordings are lost. At this point there is no recovery from this. When the Bolt formats a new drive, it erases the sqlite and /var partitions located in the flash drive. As long as the Bolt does not format a drive, those partitions remain intact.

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  11. Jun 8, 2020 #1711 of 1727
    jmbach

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    Did you put the new drive through a series of diagnostic tests both read and write before copying the old drive to it?

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  12. Jun 8, 2020 #1712 of 1727
    MJedi

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    Wow. This is what TiVo is doing now to its long-time and most enthusiastic customers? I am very disappointed. Guess I have to accept this loss. I would stop using TiVo because of this. This is a very anti-consumer move IMO. But there isn't a better option that I know of. X1 boxes are slow and have recording limits.

    I would highly recommend a sticky or some warning for people who will do this in the future.

    Yes I did.

    EDIT: So even if I made a backup image of the old drive with all recordings, it won't do me any good to restore it since those references will be gone when I insert the new drive with recordings. Am I right?
     
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    ThAbtO

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    I stopped at Roamio. Avoided the Bolt for the drive size (2.5") and all that jazz.
    Avoided TE4 (v21) as well.
     
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    MJedi

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    If I had known, I would've gotten the Roamio back then. :(
     
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    jmbach

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    Yes

    It is interesting since they have the list and the recordings on two different drives you can get some interesting issues swapping drive copies that were made at different times.
     
  16. Jun 8, 2020 #1716 of 1727
    MJedi

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    Do Roamios have a similar issue?
     
  17. Jun 8, 2020 #1717 of 1727
    jmbach

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    No. Those partitions are on the internal hard drive.
     
  18. Jun 8, 2020 #1718 of 1727
    MJedi

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    Thanks. Guess I'll be looking at getting a Roamio then. Save myself future pain.
     
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    I am in the process of working on my tivo premier and rebuilding the file structure I have 3 previosely copied drives that were copied from the original 500 gig drive 2 3tb drives 1 3tb green drive and 1 4tb green drive where I expanded the drives using jmfs revision 4 from 2010, my question is can I put my 4tb green drive in mffs 3.2 and expand the partition to actually use the 4tb of recording time instead of the 2.45 tb that shows with a total recording time of 429 hd hours, and do this without deleting the recordings if I download the software and burn to disk, the second question is I just used an image ggsieki sent me to restore the 500 gig drive as it was stuck in the guided setup loop and would not update the software so I had to rebuild the image to the drive, the next question is since their was one copyrighted program that is stored on the other 3 drives that were copied before the image on the 500 gig drive became corrupted, is their a way using mffs 3.2 to copy all the recordings from one of the drives and then merge it somehow using mffs 3.2 or dvr barz with the image file ggsieki sent me in the tivo stuck in guided setup loop forum as despite frustrations especially with how tivo has treated their best custumers like us especially with their disatrous rollout of the hydra system with not making sure they retianed all the features of the classic platform, which made me get an additional tivo each time a new model came out and put in bigger hard drive, also tivo online works like junk when you are trying to transfer recordings especially from a premier over to a bolt when you had transfered those same recordings back when your bolt ran the classic platform and only had trouble with with one recording, but regardless ggsieki has been really helpful in that forum and has provided me with about 3 different images for my tivo premier I just need help with if possible merging one copyrighted recording from my other copied drives if possible back to the 500 gig drive that it was on it in the first place, before I had to clear that drive and use a fresh image on that drive to fix the software issues with that drive. then if that is possible somehow I would like to expand to copy that 500 gig drive to a 4tb or even 6tb as I am now worried the 4tb green drive I have the software on that drive might become corrupted like on my original hard drive and have to start all over agian on that drive which was the first drive that was copied from the original 500 gig drive back in 2015 and seems to have the most complete software updates on it vs the other 3 3tb drives.
     
  20. jmbach

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    If I understand you correctly. You copied the 500GB drive to 3 other drives one being a 4TB that you want to use in your TiVo. At this point all the drives have the same recordings on them. You expanded the 4TB with JMFS but you did not get the full drive for recordings space. (That is because you can add only 2 TB of recording space with JMFS so you have 2.5 TB of recording space)

    If the above is the case, I would recommend reading the post that you downloaded MFSTools ISO dor the information to copy your 500 GB to the 4TB. MFSTools copy command will expand the drive while copying it. So when it is done you will have the full drive for your recordings.

    Your "copy-protected" recordings are locked to the TiVo they were recorded on. So if the you are copying the 500GB with recordings to the 4TB, that drive would have to go back to the same TiVo the 500GB came out of in order to use the TiVo and see all the recordings.

    You could put that drive in another TiVo, but to get the TiVo functioning, you would have to do a clear and delete everything which would wipe out the recordings on that drive.

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