MFS Tools 3.2

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  1. Jun 4, 2019 #1321 of 1995
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    Are you sure 2 TB is enough for you? Have you checked on the warranty with Western Digital (wdc.com)? It may have expired long ago, and they do not make these anymore. If you are not worried about the content on the older drive, just swap out the old drive for the new and it would be a newer Tivo. You would need to re-pair the cable card though.

    I have used a WD Red 4TB WD40EFRX in my Roamio basic about 4 years ago and is still running strong. It is also more quiet then the Green drives.
     
  2. Jun 4, 2019 #1322 of 1995
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    Yes, 2TB is plenty. $48 was a bargain. The drive was just as quiet as the original - can't hear it in my bedroom. The acoustic specs are the same (23 dBA idle / 24 dBA seek).
    The AV-GP are designed for streaming DVRs/surveillance. The Reds are great and will work fine - but they are designed for NAS systems not DVRs.
    I wanted to keep my shows. No cable card repairing was needed with Comcast/Xfinity. :)
     
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  3. dennisondik

    dennisondik New Member

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    I need help. I had my Tivo Premiere XL power adapter burn up on my 1TB hard drive. I decided to get a new power board and adapter. I cleaned up my HD. It melted a bit of the connector but It appears functional. BUT I decided that I should replace the HW with a new 1TB WD Red. I wanted to clone my existing HD. I downloaded MFSTOOLS 3.3 and booted it OK. I don't have any PC with SATA drives in it since my main pcs are laptops. I did have two Sata USB to SATA adapters. OK I thought I was set to go.... I saw both the old HD with multiple partitions (/dev/sdg) I see the new drive with no partitions. (/dev/sdh). (I used fdisk -l to see these).
    I used the following command...
    mfscopy -ai /dev/sdg /dev/sdh
    I immediately get Input/Output error reading volume header... try using -E.....

    20 yrs ago I was a unix administrator and have forgotten almost everything.. I have spent hours looking over the forum. Am I forgetting something? did I Miss a step?
     
  4. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    First of all, Premiere does not have a power adapter (AKA Power brick, wall wart).... It has a power supply/board.. I doubt the HD is salvageable. so, without knowing the proper model number, it would be hard to provide an image, though it would be DVRBars since there are none for MFSTools. available.
     
  5. unitron

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    You're looking for an IBM/PC/DOS style partition table, and there isn't one there.

    TiVo uses a version of the old Apple Partition Map, and you need

    pdisk

    to see it.

    pdisk

    is on the MFSTools cd.



    But since we're talking about a TiVo newer than the Series 3 models, the only thing you can do with MFSTools is to "Xerox" the old drive to the new one with

    dd

    or

    ddrescue
     
  6. dennisondik

    dennisondik New Member

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    UPDATE....

    even though my old HD spins up.. It appears it is toast. SO... It looks like I will need to down load and rebuild the TIVO Disk... ;-(
     
  7. mattack

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    Do you mean it doesn't show on the computer at all? you MIGHT be able to recover it if it spins up with a new drive controller.. though I admit I never ended up bothering doing that for my OLED S3 which died and killed a drive.. (Even bought another used S3 to hopefully have someone do the encryption chip transfer to.. but then never bothered.) If I knew it'd work, I'd still pay someone to do it (since I know I have at least a season of shows that don't re-air due to music issues).
     
  8. dennisondik

    dennisondik New Member

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    Update again.….
    I decided to take the printed circuit board off the old hard drive. I found out during manufacture of the board, they somehow did not solder the pins totally on the power part of the connector board interface. Evidently the pins were touching the board but not soldered. Even though the drive worked for over 5 years, the bad connection got worst until it totally melted the connector. I took the time to clean up the board and bad pins and resoldered it. NOW.... the MFSCOPY is working as it should... Thanks for letting me comment..
     
  9. dougdingle

    dougdingle HD Tech

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    Nicely done.
     
  10. mattack

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    You want to try to fix my WD drive too?? (the one from my dead OLED S3)

    (mostly joking)
     
  11. multiple

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    I have a new drive that does not seem to want to get past the starting up screen. I know others have this same drive working on TE4, so I doubt it is TE4 that is blocking it. The only difference I think might be an issue...

    This was originally a 500GB Bolt, where I replaced the original drive with a Toshiba 3TB. So I used mfscopy from the 3TB to the new larger drive. Under msfinfo the new drive shows 4 partitions, sdb 10 - 13. 2 @ 800MiB and 2 @ 1564361MiB. There are 6 zones, zones 0 - 5 and the partition table shows 15 partitions and a comment that the drive can be expanded 4 more times. One MFS media region, partition 11, starts @ 64 and has 3203811640 sectors. Another media region 2, partition 13 starts @ 32091855656, and has 3201811640 sectors. There is an extra partition 15, which is 8589934592 sectors. I haven't run msfadd yet to expand it further. I put the drive back into the Bolt and ran into this issue. I tried a kickstart 58 without any change.

    Is there anything I need to try first before retrying the mfscopy procedure? If I have to restart the procedure, do I need to prep the new drive first, by erasing all partitions before going forward?

    After checking around some more I'm not 100% certain that the Micron Ion 5210 drive works under TE4. If this turns out to be a TE4 issue I hope TiVo fixes it soon. I don't want to downgrade the drive and lose the shows.
     
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  12. jmbach

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    At this point, no one knows why certain drives will work or not work in a Bolt with TE4. It appears to only affect the 2.5 inch drives and not 3.5 inch drives. My suggestion would be to try another drive.
     
  13. multiple

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    Thanks for the reply. If I see a comment from mfsinfo that I can still expand the drive then it successfully copied the old to the new drive? Or are there extra steps I need to take to make sure mfscopy was correctly done?
     
  14. jmbach

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    mfscopy will copy and expand at the same time. Use -a in the command line to include recordings.

    mfsinfo is letting you know how much space is the the MFS header to expand. It is not indicating how much space on the drive there is to expand.
     
  15. multiple

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    Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. I’m expecting if mfsinfo shows something meaningful then the mfscopy was successful and the boot up failure is likely not due to a botched mfscopy. I thought the -a command expanded the drive to 4TB, then you needed MFSAdd for any remainder. I just want to check if there might be other steps to take using MFStools which might address the stuck at Starting Up screen.
     
  16. jmbach

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    I guess I did. mfscopy will expand while copying up to the max size of the drive using a standard TiVo layout. Unfortunately, TiVo will not correctly recognize the recording space correctly for any image created over 4 TB. That is why you need to add the -m or - M switch to limit the copy to 4TB when you copy to a drive larger than 4 TB. -a just includes the recordings when it copies.

    mfsadd adds partitions beyond the standard TiVo layout to add recording space or used to attach a non TiVo approved external drive to the unit.

    You would not need to use mfsadd if you used mfscopy on a 4TB or smaller drive.


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  17. multiple

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    The original drive was 500GB, then replaced with a 3TB Toshiba back before MFStools supported Bolts. The latest drive is a 7.68TB 2.5in SSD. So I was aware I needed to use MFSAdd to expand it to full capacity, but I wanted to try testing the drive first before the full expansion. This seems to be the procedure I see everyone trying. Now that I think of it, during my other Bolt upgrades, I expect the Bolt would have at a minimum reformatted the drive down to 3TB and then make it to the initial set up screen. That did not happen and that is what happened with my 4TB and 5TB drives when I used MFSR to do the expansion.
     
  18. jmbach

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    Does your 3 TB work in the Bolt with TE 4?
     
  19. multiple

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    Yes, reinstalling the 3TB drive works with no shows lost.
     
  20. jmbach

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    So, if you use a drive cloner (dock or software) to clone the 3 TB to the new drive and then put the new drive in the TiVo, if the drive will work, it will boot up to be operational. Then you could use the 10 TB DIY Roamio thread instructions to use the whole drive for recordings.

    Before I do that, I would make sure the drive passes diagnostic testing first.
     

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