MFS Tools 3.2

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  1. RyanL

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    Souns like you borked it up in similar fashion as me; you messed up your original drive once you installed the new drive and then put the old one back in. I would just re-format the new drive and then put it back into the bolt. See what you have then.
     
  2. rooobosmith

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    From what I now understand, it is the internal ssd that gets wiped when a new drive is booted, and there is nothing that can restore that. Seems like a really dumb design, or one designed to make more money by making it harder to put in a larger drive. Anyway, too much reading and not enough prompt action while the info is fresh.
     
  3. RyanL

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    Guess there's no practical way to backup what you have either. Seems like a bad design which creates more points of failure. Another thing I came across doing a little reading which is also just as wonky is how an external hard drive connected to a Tivo works. I looked into this first because I thought it may be less hassle/easier to backup, restore, upgrade, etc. etc. and it seems like a PITA. Sounds like part of the recordings are on the internal and part or them are placed on the external. Not either or like I thought it would be. Again, just seems to make more points of failure in my eyes because if either drive goes then you are screwed and lose everything. Just my 2 cents.
     
  4. jmbach

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    Maybe somebody will develop a way to backup the internal flash and the drive. That would solve the issue.

    It would be simpler if TiVo would include a way of backing up and restoring the internal flash data via the cloud with the TiVo servers.
     
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  5. mattack

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    Multi-drive Tivos (e.g. 2 hard drives in a series 1) have always worked this way. I'm not saying I like it, but if you required an entire recording to be on one drive, then you'd end up with some unusable space on either drive.. plus you'd have to show it as if it were two separate drives to the user (way too confusing), and be able to move reocrdings back and forth..

    Even though I admit it took me a while to get into it (and I still wish there were some of the editing capabilities on a Tivo that my Toshiba XS32 hard drive/DVD recorder has), just using a computer to download (non copy protected recordings) is really the best way overall to "easily" expand total usable storage.. even if it's not "live" storage for the Tivo.
     
  6. May 7, 2019 #1306 of 1995
    krkaufman

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    Any confirmation since this was posted? Can MFS Tools 3.2 be used on a drive from a Roamio running Hydra (TE4, 21.*) to migrate to an equal or larger drive (up to 4TB)?
     
  7. May 7, 2019 #1307 of 1995
    jmbach

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    I have personally tried it on a Bolt with TE4 and it works....barring certain drives that cause a TE4 Bolt to get stuck on the starting up screen.
     
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  8. May 8, 2019 #1308 of 1995
    jmbach

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    So for those interested, the new version of MFSTools that support adding partitions to Bolts has been released.

    This release was made possible with the help of @angra who helped with the modifications and did extensive testing to make sure they worked.
     
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  9. Richard Mixon

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    I now it's an old post, but wanted to say thank you to Stringham for his succinct writeup and of course to jmbach for MFS Tools and for noting that step 8 was not needed.

    With that info I was able to upgrade my Roamio Plus with 1TB with factory WD10EURX to 4TB WD40EURX with no issues at all. The 1TB drive was about 90% full and woudl stutter several times each show, so a new drive seemed in order before all was lost.

    It took about 6-1/2 hours for the mfscopy to run - but after that the Tivo just booted up clean, all my shows are there and the drive is 21% used.

    I'm still seeing an occasional stutter but not as often - hope it's just the cable delivery issues I'm seeing and not the motherboard or power supply.

    Thanks again - Richard

     
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  10. mattack

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    On new recordings? If it's only on old recordings, it COULD be glitches due to I/O errors from the original drive (replaced by 0s during the copy)...?
     
  11. dougdingle

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    It could also be, as he said, the source. Cable companies send out a lot of trash. Spectrum in Los Angeles was torturing CBS really badly for about a month a while back. I must have called then ten times until they finally looked and fixed it. Mostly stuttering, but also freezing, half the image disappearing, blasts of audio noise, it was a mess.

    Their initial reaction was of course that it was the tivo at fault until I pointed out that my mom was having the same issues and she had one of their boxes, and that it wasn't possible for any piece of hardware in the home to cause that on a single channel.
     
  12. mattack

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    I guess I'm lucky, I seem to see a *noticeable* glitch maybe once or twice a week? maybe even less than that.
     
  13. dougdingle

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    It seems to vary, and may be based here on how conscientious the Spectrum techs are who do system maintenance. I have found that once I get an issue escalated and talk to someone who actually believes me when I say I'm a video engineer and know what I'm looking at, we are most of the way to a solution.
     
  14. DonC6306

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    HELP! 6 years after an upgrade to a 2T drive on my TIVO HDXL, the HDD is failing. I have been searching high and low for a copy of WinMFS and cannot find one. I still have my original HDD so I don't need a copy of the image, just the WinMFS program. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.
     
  15. dougdingle

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    Not sure if this will come through, but let's try it...
     

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  16. DonC6306

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    Thanks for the copy of WinMFS, now the issue is it keeps failing. It allows me to select the drives, but when I select mfscopy, the program quits. The last time I used WinMFS, I think I was using Win XP Sp 3. I now have Win Pro 10 64bit running, has anyone run into any issues or do I need to run with the MFS cd?
     
  17. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    You may want to check out my post here:
    2019 TiVo HD Step-by-Step Drive Expansion

    I also used WinMFS long ago, but when I recently had to replace one of those expanded drives, the new MFSTools was super easy.

    And since you are using an old drive/image as a starting point, be sure NOT to run Guided setup with the new drive until the S3 has had a chance to update the software after that first boot, otherwise your box will have some real heartburn trying to interface with the Rovi database format! For extra safety, after you think it has downloaded the software update, make sure you do a power-off reboot before you try any Guided Setup.
     
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  18. DonC6306

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    Where can I get the MFSTools 3.3 .iso disc image? I have replaced the original Tivo drive (1T) and it has done all the updates and appears to be working without any problems, just still waiting for the complete guide download. Hoping to copy the failing current drive (2T) and recover the recorded shows. WinMFS starts, can select the drives, load the initial copy program and as soon as I select start, the program quits. I am wanting to try MFSTools in case there is a compatibility issue with Windows.
     
  19. jmbach

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    Start at post 8 of this thread.
     
  20. Jun 4, 2019 #1320 of 1995
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    Just thought I would post reporting my successful TiVo Roamio Clone & Exactly What I did.
    One TiVo was sporadically not booting (would not get past almost there). WeaKnees.com said it was most likely the hard drive. Since it was 5 years old, I agreed. I did the other TiVo because it was just as old. I probably won't be back to answer any questions - just wanted to post what I did and that it worked on two Roamio Plus TiVos. Some were reporting issues - I had none.

    I cloned two Roamio TiVos:
    TiVo Roamio Plus TCD848000 1TB Hard Drive

    Read this post carefully: MFS Tools 3.2

    New Hard Drive (sold on Amazon for $48): WD 2 TB WD AV-GP SATA III Intellipower 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM AV Hard Drive WD20EURX
    Note: This was the same drive used in the TiVo, only 2TB instead of 1TB.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DXOJJQQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    New Drive Diagnostics: I ran Western Digital "Data Lifeguard Diagnostic" for windows on the new drives first to make sure they were in good working order.
    Software and Firmware Downloads | WD Support

    MFSTools ISO Image Download:
    I used this ISO: MFSTools 3.32-devel ISO Live ISO
    Found in this post: MFS Tools 3.2

    Burning Image: I "burned" the ISO to a usb flash drive using RuFus 3.5 Portable. Important: When you click start in RuFus you MUST select "Write in DD Image Mode" - the second non-recommended option - or it will not boot properly!
    Rufus

    MSFTools / Linux Login - The correct MFSTools login is:
    user: root
    pass: tivo

    Determine Source and Target: I used these commands to determine the source and target drives - this is critical. They will be listed as sd and a letter (for example: sdc). Your target will be the larger drive (obviously) - the size reported was 1.8T for the new Target Drive:

    lsblk -d
    lsblk -o name,size,vendor

    Clone Commands: Double check your source and target designations (above).
    This is the correct Command to clone a drive on a Roamio Tivo:
    mfscopy -a /dev/sdX /dev/sdY
    Where sdX is the old source drive and sdY is the new target drive.
    (Premier and earlier models: mfscopy -ai /dev/sdX /dev/sdY )

    Time Required to Clone: Using SATA or e-SATA, it will take 4 to 12 hours (for a TiVo Roamio Plus) depending on your hardware and how many shows are on your drive. The mfscopy will give an estimated time of completion - and it was accurate.

    Diagnostics: After starting the TiVos with the new drive I later ran these 2 Kickstart Diagnostic Codes which perform an mfs check and cleanup. Run them in this order after a clone:
    First: 58 - perform mfs cleanup
    Second: 57 - mfs check
    This is how you run Kickstart Codes:
    TiVo Kickstart Codes and Information

    Remember to read this post carefully:
    MFS Tools 3.2
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2019
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