MFS Tools 3.2

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  1. May 12, 2017 #701 of 1997
    jmbach

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    As far as I know, the only information available is theoretical. I think I saw some real world data on drives used in PCs that showed alignment improved throughput. But nothing specific to TiVos.
     
  2. May 12, 2017 #702 of 1997
    dougdingle

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    I can see where data rates for sequential reads might improve somewhat with the alignment, but also point out that over the last several years, my 6 tuner Roamio Pro hasn't had any discernible issues that I can attribute to my unaligned WD Green and Red drives (I rotate drives every 90 days or so to spread out the wear and also to ensure that in case of a drive failure, I don't lose everything).
     
  3. May 12, 2017 #703 of 1997
    TheCryptkeeper

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    Thanks Jmbach, Ggieseke, et al. This worked without a hiccup. I now have something like 1749 HD recording hours on my new Bolt. Tomorrow morning Spectrum will bring the cable card and tuning adaptor and hopeful get them paired with the TiVo just as easily.
     
  4. May 17, 2017 #704 of 1997
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    Hi need some advice on hard drive options to do an upgrade of an original Tivo Premiere (320GB). I really only need 2TB, so the 318 or so hours of HD that would give me is enough. Posts in this thread, the JMFS thread, and others indicate that the WD drives are best to use in a Tivo, and until recently the EURS and EURX (AV-GP) lines would have been my choice. I can still find a EURX on Amazon for about $75 but although it's Prime Eligible, it's fulfilled by a 3rd party vendor. I have read that these "green" lines have been discontinued so and others on these forums have said to never buy from 3rd party sellers on Amazon.

    Given that the green line seems to have been discontinued, can somebody provide a recommendation for what I should use now? Red or Purple? All the Red's seem to be for NAS and I'm not sure what that means as far as whether or not it would be a good choice for a Tivo. On Amazon & WD's site, these Red NAS drives are not even available to ship until May 31st so I'm hesitant to use a brand new product offering.

    But what other choice do I have? I still would like to go with WD because of their wide usage in Tivo upgrades to date.
    Can anybody recommend a good WD drive (specific model)? I know oftentimes it's a matter of personal preference. I'm looking for something that will give me longevity, require minimal tweaking (eg: PUIS, Intellipark etc), already optimized for DVR use (so doesn't run too hot, not too loud, etc). Ideally would like to purchase on Amazon or Newegg. The AV-GP line seemed so perfect, why would they discontinue it?
     
  5. May 17, 2017 #705 of 1997
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    I think the general consensus that the WD Red line is most preferred (not the Red pro line) as it has the better warranty and durability ratings than other WD drives.
     
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  6. May 17, 2017 #706 of 1997
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    dougdingle

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    Yes, that's the one. It's fine if it's a NAS drive.
     
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  8. May 17, 2017 #708 of 1997
    ClearToLand

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    IMO, you're paying a premium $$$/TB ($42.50) for the 2TB due to its lack of popularity.
    • The 3TB (WD30EFRX) regularly goes on sale for $100 and less frequently for $85 (4 times @ BestBuy in 2017 - but the last 2 included $25 GCs, which I then 'recirculated').
    • The 4TB (WD40EFRX) regularly goes on sale for $120 and less frequently for $105 (same story - BestBuy).
    Unless you need it 'yesterday', the 3TB or 4TB are a better deal - IIRC (and I don't really pay any attention to anything besides the 3TB and 4TB), $85 is a 'Daily' price for the 2TB and I've never see it advertised on sale.

    Put the part number plus the word price into GOOGLE and check Amazon, BestBuy, Newegg daily - subscribe to the Newegg E-Mail to get extra 'Bonus Codes' for members to save more $$$.

    The EURS and EURX are history.
     
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  9. May 18, 2017 #709 of 1997
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    ClearToLand: Thank you for the feedback. In fact I am considering the 3TB for reasons you mention, plus the fact that the 2TB is not even available for 2 weeks yet anyway. I will take your advice and monitor pricing to see if I can get a good deal -- I won't be able to actually perform my Tivo Premiere upgrade for about a month anyway, so I've got the benefit of time on my side here.

    In addition, several members on this forum have advised me that JMFS 1.04 wouldn't be the best procedure to use in my upgrade (which is what I was originally going to do, and which would limit me to a 2TB drive unless I used a more complicated process w/ modified JMFS). Since I'm now leaning towards MFS Tools 3.2, I am more likely to use a bigger drive (still think 4TB would be wasted on me, but 3TB looks more and more like a good cost/benefit combination).

    Thanks for the post.
     
  10. May 18, 2017 #710 of 1997
    dougdingle

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    You might want to check pricing/availability on other sites as well, like B&H. Strangely, their pricing is slightly lower on the 'full retail kit' than it is on the bare OEM drive. Identical drive, warranty, etc.
     
  11. May 18, 2017 #711 of 1997
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    Ebay actually has a new WD30EFRX for $99.99 w/ free shipping. Next best price I can find today is $106 (and the B&H site only a buck more - thanks for the tip dougdingle). The title page says 7200 RPM but I know that model number is actually the 5400 RPM. The eBay seller has 14k reviews and 99.8% positive feedback... but I'm not sure I would trust that I was actually getting a truly "new" drive.
     
  12. May 18, 2017 #712 of 1997
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    In my setup, /dev/sdc is my source internal drive, /dev/sdb is my external source and /dev/sda is my new 4TB drive. I'm using the following command. mfscopy -ai /dev/sdc:/dev/sdb /dev/sda

    I receive the following message, "Scanning source drive. Please wait a moment. Copy source: Can not determine primary boot partition from boot sector."

    What am I doing wrong?
     
  13. May 18, 2017 #713 of 1997
    jmbach

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    run mfsinfo /dev/sdc /dev/sdb and post the results.
     
  14. May 18, 2017 #714 of 1997
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    Here is a picture of the results[​IMG]

    Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk
     
  15. May 18, 2017 #715 of 1997
    jmbach

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    It looks okay. Run the command again mfscopy -ai /dev/sdc:/dev/sdb /dev/sda
     
  16. May 18, 2017 #716 of 1997
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    Wait a second. I re-read your error, this is an issue with block 0. I am going to send you a pm to work this out.
     
  17. May 18, 2017 #717 of 1997
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    Post your results after everything is done.
     
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  18. May 19, 2017 #718 of 1997
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    You're a genius. THANK YOU!

    The process is now apparently underway after the corrections you made to the first few blocks on my old drive. Sometime later today (it's now just after midnight) everything will be on my new drive. While the internal drive is not that old, I've been using that external one for around 10 years, so I'm glad to transfer over everything before it started giving me trouble.

    I'll post how it goes once everything is completed. Again, thank you.
     
  19. May 19, 2017 #719 of 1997
    dougdingle

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    jmbach is one of the unsung heroes of the TiVo community. He has helped me several times with drive issues, and is a large part of the reason the process you're doing (two drives to single, shows preserved) is available.
     
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  20. May 20, 2017 #720 of 1997
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    My initial setup was a Roamio Basic with a 3TB WD30EURX internal drive that the DVR had auto-formatted and an External 1TB TiVo Expander. The internal drive was only two years old, and while the TiVo Expander had over eight years of use, there was no sign of imminent failure yet. Nevertheless, I chose to be preemptive and decided to use MFSTools 3.2 to copy and combine both drives to a new 4TB WD40EZRZ. This was a Blue drive shucked from an Easystore External Enclosure that was on sale from Best Buy with a $25 gift card for $109. Net cost = $85 plus tax.

    I carefully removed the drive from its enclosure by using four old credit cards, and I avoided breaking any of the enclosure’s plastic tabs, so if the drive fails, I can put it back in its case and return it.

    To simplify things, I disconnected all the hard drives from my computer and hooked up all three TiVo drives directly to the motherboard’s SATA ports, the external drive via eSATA to SATA cable. I turned on my PC, pressed F12 and booted from a CD of MFSTools 3.2.

    Logged in as “root”, password “tivo”.

    Typed “fdisk –l” then pressed shift and page up to find and identify appropriate disks.

    /dev/sdc was my source internal drive, /dev/sdb was my external source and /dev/sda was my new 4TB drive. I used the command mfscopy -ai /dev/sdc:/dev/sdb /dev/sda

    I received the following message, "Scanning source drive. Please wait a moment. Copy source: Can not determine primary boot partition from boot sector."

    Jmbach identified this as an issue with block 0. Using a program called
    iBored, by Thomas Templeton, I copied the first 20 blocks of the TiVo’s internal source drive and sent them to Jmbach to see what was needed to fix the error. I did this by asking the program to write blocks to file, starting with block 0, block size 512, number of blocks 20.


    On the left side is the defective file, on the right side the repaired blocks.

    Roamio Boot.jpg



    According to Jmbach, normally the TiVo block 0 has either 0x03 0x06 or 0x06 0x03 at offset 2 in block 0. That is supposed to let the TiVo know the boot block. This has been the case up to Series 4. Series 5, especially the later OS, does not make a normal block 0 on the drive because all the software is on the flash drive.

    To write the block Jmbach corrected back to the drive, I marked the TiVo’s internal source drive as writable, and wrote file to blocks starting at block 0 size 512.

    iBored is run as a Windows or iOS program. I used the iOS version on my MacBook Pro and connected the drive with a Sabrent USB 2.0 adapter. The MacBook wanted to initialize my drive when I connected it, but I told it to ignore the drive.

    In iBored I needed to go to file and run as root to find the drive. After fixing the drive, I moved the drive back to my PC and rebooted MFSTools 3.2

    This time, the command mfscopy -ai /dev/sdc:/dev/sdb /dev/sda worked, and 19 hours later I had a single 4TB drive with all my movies, shows, and settings intact. My Roamio started perfectly, like the drive had never been changed. MFSTools 3.2 worked flawlessly.

    I couldn’t have done this without Jmbach’s help. Jmbach supports ggieseke's software development and I made another
    contribution to support their further efforts here.

    Thus far the 4TB WD40EZRZ (Western Digital Blue drive) has worked perfectly and is quiet. I will keep you posted on its performance.
     
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