MFS Tools 2.0! An upgrade revolution!

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tiger, Jun 15, 2002.

  1. Jun 19, 2002 #61 of 670
    Gomer Pyle

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    To Tiger and hinsdale (or other experienced Linux users):

    OK, I admit I am Linux clueless, but I am PC hardware/user competent.

    I successfully upgraded to a 40/80 setup last May, and am thrilled to see MFS 2.0 will allow me to go to 120/80 now without losing recordings (and 120/120 down the road a little).

    As stated above, I want to ugrade just my A drive from 40 to 120 GB - which I am now able to do thanks to Tiger's tools. What concerns me some is my lack of Linux prowess, and the fact the the two statements in the upgrade guides from Tiger and hinsdale that say don't screw this part up are indeed different. I believe that this is due to the fact the the HDs are not in the same IDE ports in the two methods - is it 100% true and typo free, and that both command lines are correct when used with the respective drive locations?
     
  2. Jun 19, 2002 #62 of 670
    hinsdale

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    The commands are the same and will work either method, just different IDE connections were used.

    I am about to add a note after performing this single drive copy to pull the new drive and existing drive after making the copy and test the pair in your TiVo first (will still show same hours as originals) before performing the mfsadd expansion. This will verify you had a good dd copy before permanantly marrying/expanding the drives.
     
  3. Jun 19, 2002 #63 of 670
    Gomer Pyle

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    Thanks for the confirmation, and the new suggestion. Sounds like I have another project to do this weekend...
     
  4. Jun 20, 2002 #64 of 670
    brott

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    Tiger,

    Thanks for the CD. I've been looking for this capability for a while. I can finally upgrade a 35-hour system with programs I can't lose.

    Cheers
     
  5. Jun 22, 2002 #65 of 670
    gardavis

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    I started an upgrade this morning 30-120 to 120-120.

    I started with the step to create and test a backup of my Sony SVR2000 3.0 system.

    I mounted the restored A drive (not the B) backup to verify the backup was OK. It booted up. The first thing I did was to click the List on the remote and it took a long time to display the list of recordings (I am aware that the recordings list is there but the actual recordings are not).

    All remote commands and even the displays were very slow, like some process was using up the CPU time. Otherwise, the Tivo did respond OK.

    Any ideas on this slowness of the backup?

    I am now in the long dd copy step.

    Thanks,
    Gary
     
  6. Jun 22, 2002 #66 of 670
    tivoscooter

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    I upgraded my single-drive 30G Tivo to a 30/80 with MFS2.0 last week. Today I'm upgrading to 30/120. I dd'ed the 80 to the 120 to save my recordings. Everything went well except for expansion...

    mfsadd -x /dev/hda /dev/hdb

    reports...

    Nothing to add
    111hrs

    Any ideas why mfsadd does not see the additional space?
     
  7. Jun 22, 2002 #67 of 670
    stormsweeper

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    are you sure you have the right device names? you had Tivo A (the 30GB) on primary master, and Tivo B (the 120GB) as primary slave?
     
  8. Jun 23, 2002 #68 of 670
    adavidw

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    Okay, here's a stupid question.

    How do I find out if I used TiVoMad in my last upgrade?

    I upgraded my DirecTiVo maybe 10 months to a year ago by adding an 80 gig B drive to it. To accomplish this, I downloaded the boot disk referenced in Hinsdale's how-to at the time, and then divorced the 80 gig drive from my standalone. Then, I made the small backup of the combo A drive as specified. Then, blessed the 80 gig and put it in the TiVo.

    I'm concerned because it appears that if I had used MFS Tools, I would be in a better position for future upgrades, since the memory usage would be smaller, right?

    So how can I tell?

    -Aaron
     
  9. Jun 23, 2002 #69 of 670
    ADent

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    If had a single drive unit from the factory you probably just blessed the second drive.

    MFSTools 2.0 only reduces the memory required if you get a GSOD (Green Screen of Death) and the DTiVo already come with more memory than a standalone (where the lack of memory/VM will cause the GSOD to fail at around 140GB unless swap is added).
     
  10. Jun 23, 2002 #70 of 670
    saboyce

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    When I download the static binaries, it seems that I am getting the previous version of MFS Tools...
    -it displays "MFSTools 1.0" when it is run
    -I am unable to use the "mfstool mfsadd..." command
    -when running "mfstools restore..." the -x flag is not a valid flag.

    What in the heck am I doing wrong? I upgraded my previous Sony SVR2000 a couple of times, so I'm not a complete newb. HELP!
     
  11. Jun 23, 2002 #71 of 670
    TheCatcher

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    GREAT WORK!!!!

    This worked fantastic! I just upgraded my 14GB (original Quantum drive) / 60GB (Maxtor Drive) to 120GB / 120GB (both Western Digital Drives) without any problems at all! All my programs and settings are still intact and the menus are radically faster. The instructions were very clear and easy to follow. And at one point when one of the source drive's IRQ timed out - the MFSBackup software perforemed a drive reset and everything continued just fine.

    My available time went from 22 / 71 hours to 89 / 298 hours.

    A note for others attempting a similar upgrade - allow enough time to do the copy. the copy took 8 1/2 hours on my Dragonn Ultra AMD 1900+. But well worth the time!

    GREAT WORK!!! and THANK YOU!!!!!
     
  12. Jun 23, 2002 #72 of 670
    Sparks666

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    do I understand that menus's are faster using 2.0?
     
  13. Jun 23, 2002 #73 of 670
    massimj

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    Jensen...
    After downloading 2.0 from the author's site and having that fail to boot on my PC, I then took the 2.0 floppy maker. The floppy maker worked and the MFSadd went with one hitch. I was following the instructions for one drive, and the /dev/hdc had to be changed to /dev/hdb because with one drive, the large drive is the secondary on the primary. When I changed the command, it reported the gained space and I knew that it was susccessful.

    I then set the new drive to master again and reinstalled it in my Tivo. After boot-up I noticed that I had 88 hours at basic, but only 23 or so at Best. I use to have about 9 at best, so why wasn't the gain at best as good as the gain at basic?

    I tried to play some things that I had recorded on the old drive and they started playing. Then a scheduled season pass started to record. That is when I lost the sound that came from buttons being pushed on the remote. I then tried to play what was being recorded and the screen went black. This iswhere I did a complete reset to start back at square one with programming. Did I follow the right path here? I won't know how well it works until the reset is completed and I program some new season passes.

    So, I have no idea why I could repeatedly make 1.0 CDROM's and get them to boot, but no matter how many times I downloaded and recorded 2.0, I could never get it to boot. Thank god for the floppy being so easy to use.

    I don't know if I want to add the new 120 GB Western digiatl to the 80, I might upgrade the A: drive to the 120 after a little while and keep it a single drive unit. Less noise, less power being drawn, and less chance for something to go wrong.

    I still don't see any benefit to the added memory I installed this afternoon.

    Thanks to anyone who sheds light on the problem I had with the 2.0 CDrom not booting.

    Joe
     
  14. Jun 23, 2002 #74 of 670
    saboyce

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    I, too, went ahead and went the floppy route (since I ran out of CDs over the weekend) and everything went through without a hitch. Evidently, the static images on Tyger's site (and www.9thtee.com) are only partially updated, as the README is for 2.0, but the mfstool is still 1.0. I am not sure about the ISO.

    SO, after spending a long night of swapping drives and cussing, I am finally back in the TiVo-action with a possible 306 hours of recording.

    SABoyce
    Series2 w/ dual Maxtor 120GBs
     
  15. Jun 24, 2002 #75 of 670
    HTH

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    I think I need a two-stage method, as the CD is booted as secondary slave and I don't have four interfaces to hook up all four drives at once. I've already disconnected my Windows drive. Are the instructions you refer to the README on the CD?

    Would I make a backup piped to a restore of the two drives (60 & 30 of a 45) as primary master and slave to a single 120 GB drive as secondary master (with optimized layout), then shutdown, disconnect the drives, hook up the new 120 as primary master and the second 120 GB drive as primary slave, then expand both drives?

    I fear if I go the floppy route I might make a mistake and wipe a wrong drive. Plus the inconvenience of having to boot into Windows to make the floppy.
     
  16. Jun 24, 2002 #76 of 670
    kazymyr

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    Tiger,

    IIRC you stated at some time in the past (correct me if I'm wrong) that mfstools would be able to run on the TiVo itself... Is it still true? Would it be too much to ask for a cross-compiled binary...? :D
     
  17. Jun 24, 2002 #77 of 670
    TheCatcher

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    Sparks666,

    I'm not 100% certain that the HD upgrade with MFSTools 2.0 is what increased the speed of my menus. Apparently the evening before I did the HD upgrade my TiVo 2.5 software was updated to TiVo 3.0 software but I didn't notice it till after I did the HD upgrade.

    But the initial post in this thread indicates that performance may be increased by the doing an upgrade with the MFSTools 2.0.

    All I know is I was expecting a major slowdown when I increased the HD space form 75GB to 240GB. I am VERY happy to find out I was wrong and it is so much faster.
     
  18. Jun 24, 2002 #78 of 670
    Tiger

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    HTH,
    Who says you need to boot Windows to make the floppy? From Linux:
    dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 (Or whatever the image is called)

    As to overwriting the wrong device, if you do the backup to restore method, it is virtually impossible to do so, as long as you do not repeat the same device name for both. The backup will not even start if either device is wrong.

    Kazymyr,
    It is actually just 2 commands away to make such a thing.. But it is completely untested.
     
  19. Jun 24, 2002 #79 of 670
    HTH

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    Could it be because the floppy image isn't included on the CD image? At least, I couldn't find it on the CD. To get a floppy image to the PC, I'll have to either boot into Windows for network connectivity there or burn the image as a file on another CD with my Mac. I'd be a shame to waste a whole CD just to store a single 1440 KiB file. (My Windows installation is buggy and likes to spontaneously restart if the HDTV acting as my monitor is on, and I don't have a Linux installation on it yet..)

    I'll try booting up one of my older Macs which still have a 3.5" drive to see if Disk Copy can create a floppy. I'm in the stages of reworking my LAN topology so I can get my TiVos doing updates over ADSL, which means my PC is off-line.

    I'd recommend future CD images include the floppy image as a file for creation of a boot floppy under the CD in addition to it being available as a separate download. Even on a 3" CD, storing a 10.3 MiB image on a 185 MiB CD is already an awful waste of space. Unless you have one of those new Yamaha drives that can burn images onto the unused portion of the data side of the CD. "Chevron one encoded."
     
  20. Jun 25, 2002 #80 of 670
    TheCatcher

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    The CD image that I downloaded included a sub-directory called floppy and the floppy image (called mfstools.img) was in it. I created the floppy from it and performed the upgrade.
     

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