MFS Tools 2.0! An upgrade revolution!

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tiger, Jun 15, 2002.

  1. Jun 16, 2002 #21 of 670
    Tiger

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    Wow, my very own pinned topic! :)

    To answer a few questions...

    dsmdriver,
    You would need to start over. I do not, however, know if it really makes a difference in the menu speed and such. The only 100% known difference is if it has a green screen, without reducing RAM usage or increasing RAM or swap, it would not be able to complete.

    dplatt,
    Sorry to disappoint you. To test the floppy image on the final release version of the CD, I upgraded my live TiVo (DirecTV) from 80+80 to 120+120. So depending on how you look at it, that could be considered non-beta. :) And if you want me to get really technical, I upgraded it to 80+80 in the first place a year ago using the same code that is in the new software, long before it was beta. (The upgrade code has actually been in there since way before even 1.0.. I just needed to make an interface for it)

    Idlepaw, thanks. :) I'd be amazed if thats the only mistake though.

    kenr,
    It can do that without even breaking a sweat. Just pop the drives into your PC on the primary IDE channel, boot off the CD, and run
    Code:
    mfsadd -x /dev/hda /dev/hdb
    and less than a second later when it finishes, shutdown and pop em back into your TiVo. Total time: 5-10 minutes, most of which spent taking the drives out and putting them back.

    DCIFRTHT,
    I should probably change that FAQ item. The few instances referred to are from 1.0 - I had one report of the reboot loop problem back then (Since 2.5 is the one with the problem and it was only in beta) so figured it was an isolated thing. But because I was not sure, I left that comment in. It turned out not to be an isolated problem, and with the release of 2.5, I got sent a problemed backup, figured it out, and released MFS Tools 1.1 to fix it.

    It is never a bad idea to add more swap space. However, I am using 2x120 in my combo without increasing the swap. But I upgraded it to 80x80 with the memory saving feature originally. If I you are upgrading a system that was upgraded with bless or with TiVoMad, it would be advisable to make swap something more like 128 megs. You don't need to specify the value, it assumes 64 megs if you do not.

    As to the readme, it has nothing to do with the swap size creation, it just says it is not required for making the larger upgrades safer.
     
  2. Jun 16, 2002 #22 of 670
    Agent86

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    For anyone wondering, I upgraded a 40/120 Series2 AT&TiVo to 120/120. No loss of recordings, and I've got 306 hours now!

    Though, one word of warning, it did take 2-3 hours to dd the old A drive to the new one.

    I didn't do anything with my swap file, and it seems to be running fine.

    Tiger, should I be worried about the swap at all?

    - Agent 86
     
  3. Jun 16, 2002 #23 of 670
    Tiger

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    Probably not. The big problem comes with Series 1, which only had 16mb of RAM. The problem occurred somewhere between 120 and 160gb. With what you have, you have the same memory requirements as 180gb w/o the extra savings MFS Tools does. (That is 120+40 for the original, then an additional 80 / 4 for the new stuff) With the extra RAM of the series 2, I don't think you will have to worry.
     
  4. Jun 16, 2002 #24 of 670
    DCIFRTHS

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    I am upgrading a unmodified factory fresh Series 2 using 2x120 GIG drives . What would you suggest for the swap size so the self repair will run with no problems?
     
  5. Jun 16, 2002 #25 of 670
    Tiger

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    In that case, as the head post says "No change in swap size needed if you use MFS Tools for all your upgrade needs". You don't need to worry about extra swap at all.
     
  6. Jun 16, 2002 #26 of 670
    Tiger

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    BTW, if anyone wants to mirror this and post a link, feel free, I'll add it to the main post as a mirror.
     
  7. Jun 16, 2002 #27 of 670
    DCIFRTHS

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    I think it's the "(Though it never hurts)" after the line above that has made me paranoid....

    If I do add swap, do you have a suggestion as to the size I should use with 2x120 GIG drives?

    Thanks!
     
  8. Jun 16, 2002 #28 of 670
    Tiger

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    Though it never hurts means exactly that.. Nothing ill will come from using more swap. I would not worry about increasing the swap size with that config. I am using 2x120 in my combo now with no extra swap.
     
  9. Jun 16, 2002 #29 of 670
    bidger

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    Well, I downloaded the .iso image for the boot CD, burned it per instructions, then printed out the instructions. I was looking at doing the upgrade yesterday, but I noticed my SA took a long time during it's daily call. Sure enough I checked SI and saw "Pending Restart", so I put the upgrade off til today. Everything went smoothly and when I added the 80G Maxtor it said I'd added 88hrs at basic. Cool! Only problem is when I hook it up it does the "Starting Up...almost there" loop. I've tried every jumper config. & I'm at a loss. Do I need to add a jumper to the original drive for "Master enabled" as opposed to "Master". I'm not buying another Maxtor. They make this whole jumper situation too complicated.
     
  10. Jun 16, 2002 #30 of 670
    DCIFRTHS

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    Cool. Thanks again.
     
  11. Jun 16, 2002 #31 of 670
    Tiger

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    bidger,

    Hmm, first report I have heard of something like that. Care to give a little more information? (IE if you were adding a B drive, replacing a drive with a larger one, what commands you used, etc)
     
  12. Jun 16, 2002 #32 of 670
    bidger

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    Sure Tiger, appreciate your help. I'm adding a drive to the original A in a Philips SA 14hr. As far as commands through the process, I followed your guide, had no problem copying the original drive to my C: drive, was able to
    restore that image to the upgrade drive, and saw a report of 88 hrs. when I used the add command. As I said it's stuck on the "power up" loop and the unit doesn't respond to the remote. Hope that helps round things out for you. Thanks.
     
  13. Jun 16, 2002 #33 of 670
    Tiger

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    Hmm, in that case I'm not sure.. If you can mount partition 9 on the A drive and get the logs off of the log directory there, could you PM them to me? Perhaps someone else will have to answer about the Maxtor jumper issue. But looking at the logs will show if the second drive was at least seen.
     
  14. Jun 16, 2002 #34 of 670
    bidger

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    I'd tried several times to upgrade w/ the previous version of mfstools and
    could never get the second drive recognized, but it always came back to the original drive & rebooted. I see other folks (some who've upgraded &
    some who haven't) having problems w/ their remotes & reboots after 3.0.
    I'd like to give you the log you've requested, but I'm not that tech-savvy.
    Do I boot from the upgrade CD? Do I connect the TiVo A as secondary master & what commands do I use to bring up & save that log. Thanks, Tiger.
     
  15. Jun 16, 2002 #35 of 670
    Tiger

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    If you have your CD-ROM as secondary slave, and your DOS/Windows drive is primary master, you can connect the TiVo drive to secondary master position and boot off the upgrade CD- instead of hitting enter to accept defaults, select the byte swapped boot option - and issue the following commands:

    Code:
    mkdir /mnt/dos
    mkdir /mnt/var
    mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos
    mkdir /mnt/dos/tivologs
    mount /dev/hda9 /mnt/var
    cp /mnt/var/log/* /mnt/dos/tivologs/
    umount /mnt/var
    umount /mnt/dos
    
    Then your logs should be in C:\tivologs
     
  16. Jun 16, 2002 #36 of 670
    bidger

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    OK, thanks Tiger I printed out the directions & I'll log off now and see what happens.
     
  17. Jun 16, 2002 #37 of 670
    ddunham

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    Wow. I hadn't been keeping up with the state of the tools. So when Tiger came by the TiVo picnic on Saturday and dropped off some CDs, I didn't realize that this was hot-off-the-presses stuff.

    I'd tried to burn a boot CD the night before and failed, so having a working CD in hand was great. Since I don't have a series 2, I could have done it with the older tools, but I'm happy to use the new one.

    I upgraded my Phillips SA (3.0) today with the new Fry's/Outpost 120G drive. All is well.

    Thanks for all the work, and for the CD at the picnic. :cool:

    I get to record one of the College World Series ball games on "best" while I'm at work tomorrow. Yee-haw!

    P.S. Anyone else with that new Outpost drive have a problem with the diag disk? Every time I booted from it, the utility complained that it wasn't a Western Digital drive and wouldn't do diags on it. :( Everything's working so far, but I wish I could have run them once.
     
  18. Jun 16, 2002 #38 of 670
    Tiger

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    I didn't bother with the diags.. I just popped the drive in and went.

    And yep, hot off the press. People at the picnic were getting them only an hour later than you could have downloaded it.
     
  19. Jun 17, 2002 #39 of 670
    mike

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    Tiger,

    Thanks for the new release. I have been trying to upgrade my TiVo for some time now, but because of Sony's 13 partitions, I couldn't replace the A drive and utilize the extra space. I even went with an 11-partition image, but it wouldn't expand. With the new release, I was able to upgrade my old upgrade - two 30 GB drives to one 120 GB drive.

    When they drop in price, I'll add a second 120 GB.

    Thanks again!:cool:

    Mike
     
  20. Jun 17, 2002 #40 of 670
    ALanJay

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    Tiger,

    In your instructions you talk about ising the -l32 for the "UK Dual Drive TiVo" is that exclusively for ones that were ORIGINALLY 2 drives or also for UK models that were one drive and upgraded to 2 (or equally 2 drives then upgraded to 2 bigger drives if you see what I mean).

    In my case I upgraded from a single drive UK model to 2x80Gb and now with you cool new version am thinking about a couple of 120Gb drives :)

    I reckon 10C should do me (in your help) assuming there are no oddites due to using a UK model in this case...
     

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