MFS Reformatter (mfsr)

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  1. Ronald Pasqualini

    Ronald Pasqualini New Member

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    Thanks for the quick response!
    Will this 3.5" disk fit inside the Bolt, or will the Bolt only accept internal 2.5" disks?
     
  2. ggieseke

    ggieseke Well-Known Member

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    Bolts only have room for a 2.5" internal.
     
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  4. bigtimbercreek

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    I replaced the drive in my new Tivo OTA with a WD 4 TB WD40EFRX drive. I went through the setup screens on the Tivo. When I connect the new drive to my desktop and run mfsr, I get this error:

    Line 742, Error 0x00000005..
    Big red X CreateFile

    The new drive is connected via a powered usb sata adapter. When I check disk management it says this:

    Disk 2 Unknown, 3726.02 GB Not Initialized, Unallocated

    Does anyone have any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong, and why I cannot get mfsr to work? I've read through many threads, and I am not sure what to do to get the drive to work so I can put it back in my new Tivo OTA.

    Thank you very much for your help.
     
  5. Dec 1, 2017 #1125 of 1457
    ggieseke

    ggieseke Well-Known Member

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    That's an "access denied" error while it's trying to open one of the drives on your computer in read-only mode to see if it's a TiVo drive. If you have any disk utilities other than Windows Disk Management open that could be the problem, or possibly even an antivirus program.
     
  6. Dec 1, 2017 #1126 of 1457
    shwru980r

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    I just got my Roamio OTA from the cyber Monday sale and am trying to use an 8tb easy store drive. I went through guided set up initially with the original drive and the Roamio OTA has hydra. Does hydra support formatting an 8TB drive to use with MFSR? The drive passed the WD diagnostic test. With the 8TB drive, the Roamio will get to the first screen and then to the "almost there screen" and stay there for a minute and then gets the green screen and reboots and starts over again.
     
  7. Dec 2, 2017 #1127 of 1457
    ggieseke

    ggieseke Well-Known Member

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    Hydra shouldn't really matter because the OS is on flash memory, but I have no experience with it yet. They may have changed something.

    Ideally, all you should have to do is plug in the drive and get it to the first "country selection" screen, then run MFSR on a PC and put the drive back in the TiVo.
     
  8. Dec 2, 2017 #1128 of 1457
    toricred

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    It worked with my new Bolt and an older Easy Store drive just this morning.
     
  9. Dec 3, 2017 #1129 of 1457
    shwru980r

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    Thanks. I ran the data lifeguard utility on a PC and erased the entire drive. Then tried the drive in the Roamio again and got to the first 'country selection'. Then ran the MFSR utility on the drive connected to a PC. Reinstalled the drive and the Roamio is up and running on Hydra with 1283 HD hours. It's a WD white drive, not the red drive some people were getting. I registered the drive with WD for the warranty and saved all the parts inside the external case. If it dies prematurely I will try to make a warranty claim.
     
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  10. Dec 4, 2017 #1130 of 1457
    ggieseke

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    Good to know it works on Hydra. The short write zeros test should be enough to wipe any existing partitions on the drive, but I always run the full write test and the long read test on any new drive.
     
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    shwru980r

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    I tried the 8TB drive when I first received the Roamio without running guided setup with the original drive and had similar issues. I would get the green and then the purple screen. I tried the short write zeros and that didn't resolve the issue. That's when I put the original drive in and completed guided setup and then tried the 8TB drive again and it still wouldn't get to 'country selection', but it only got the green screen and no purple screen. So I decided to run the long write zeros and it finally worked.
     
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  12. tommage1

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    What is the model number on your white? I've actually seen 2 model numbers on the whites. WD80EMAZ and WD80EZAZ. I ended up with the EMAZ. From what I've heard some of the whites (maybe reds too, don't know), have an issue with legacy computers not recognizing them. Has to do with the SATA power connection. Mine works on my newer computer but I tried it with an older computer and sure enough did not recognize it. Workaround is supposed to use a molex to SATA power adapter or cut the orange wire on the SATA power connector wire. I tried the molex, it recognizes the drive but freezes on the black boot screen.

    Since I seem to have gotten one of the drives with the legacy problem am wondering if it would affect the drive if I tried to use it in a Roamio. I'm kind of waiting until someone comes up with a way to copy and expand current drive to the 8TB without losing the recordings (I have a nearly full 4 TB in there now, would take long time to move and would lose wishlist folders). Am debating if I want to return the drive or not, I shucked it with no damage to enclosure so can put back together easily.
     
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  13. tommage1

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    Quotes about the problem with the EMAZ. Something to do with "Power Disable".

    "My model WD80EMAZ does not spin up. The drive only works when used through the included adapter. I have tried different PSUs in different hosts with different SATA cables. No luck.
    • "The solution is to cut the +3v3 power connection to the drive. You can do this in several ways, one way is to cut the orange wire on the SATA power connectors, one is to use Molex to SATA adapters, one is to cover the three +3v3 pins on the drives with tape. I used the tape technique, and it works great. I recommend kapton tape, but other types of thin tape should work. It's fine to cover the 4th pin as well, it's one of 6 ground pins. It appears that WD is using a "feature" called power disable"
    Link to HGST/WD document about Power Disable.

    https://www.hgst.com/sites/default/files/resources/HGST-Power-Disable-Pin-TB.pdf
     
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  14. shwru980r

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    I got the WD80EMAZ and it's working flawlessly in my Roamio OTA. I've got a newer computer so I didn't experience the legacy issue. If you want to transfer your existing recordings to the new drive you're going to need another intermediate hard drive for your PC so you can transfer the recordings from your old hard drive and then transfer them back to the new hard drive. You might as well put the easystore back in the external enclosure and use it that way, especially if you got the black Friday deal.

    The MFSR instructions state that you can use a USB adapter for the hard drive connected to a PC, which I don't think has a legacy issue. So theoretically you could :

    1. Remove the hard drive from the enclosure
    2. Put it in the Roamio and run guided setup to the country setting
    3. Remove the hard drive from the Roamio.
    4. Reinstall the hard drive in the enclosure
    5. Connect to PC and run MFSR
    6. Remove the hard drive from the enclosure.
    7. Reinstall the hard drive in the Roamio.
     
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  15. tommage1

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    Ok thanks for info. The legacy problem I was worried about was since it is supposedly a power supply type issue (older power supplies provide something different to that Pin 3). I was curious if the Tivo Roamio power supply would work with this model without cutting/taping/adapters etc. Sounds like it does, thanks. I didn't want to wipe things off the drive to test it until I was sure the drive model had worked for someone, once I do that it would not really be returnable. I will hang in there until someone perhaps comes up with a way to copy and expand a Roamio drive to 8TB, I'm good for now with my 4TB. Just wanted to make sure this model drive will work with the Roamio if/when that happens, if it did not work at all with the Roamio I would return it. My main computer does work ok with the shucked drive by the way, I just read about the problems some people had with this model (computer user issues, not Tivo) and wanted to check myself by hooking up to an older computer ;) The link to the manufacturer document that describes it is interesting.
     
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  16. ThAbtO

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    PCs with Windows older than Windows 7 would not be able to read the full capacity >3TB.
     
  17. tommage1

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    It was not a capacity issue with the older computer, has to do with the Pin 3 thing, it's some kind of new drive standard started in 2016. Did not recognize the drive at all in the BIOS, didn't even get to the OS. Older computer is running Win 7, as is the newer computer (I don't like Win 10, seems geared towards smart phone users rather than actual computer users). I use my computer as a COMPUTER, not a phone................. I run programs, not "apps" ;)
     
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  18. sfhub

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    The drive being stuck in reset is an incompatibility issue with the Power Reset feature and voltage supplied on pin 3 - 3V.

    There may be a separate issue with older OSs recognizing larger drives for MFSR purposes.

    Any combination of these issues could be relevant, depending on the setup.
     
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  19. shwru980r

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    I tried to rollback from hydra yesterday after I upgraded to the 8TB easystore drive on my Roamio OTA and I got stuck in a boot loop going from "powering up" to "a few minutes more". I had to erase the drive again on my PC and then boot to country on the Roamio, Run MFSR on PC and then complete guided setup again on the Roamio.
     
  20. tommage1

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    So after you did that did you end up with Hydra again or G3? Not really sure how the relationship between the flash drive and the hard drive works. Even though you got stuck in boot loop maybe the flash drive had been rolled back to G3 and then when you put in the zeroed/MFSR hard drive you got G3? If not I'm wondering if you can get G3 with the 8TB drive, if it installs Hydra when first putting in, then you get stuck in loop when trying to roll back and you have to mostly start over then how can you get to G3?
     

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