Major update coming before July according to CNET

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream 4K' started by GBK33, Jun 17, 2020.

  1. omelet1978

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    Just curious, are they going to do a fix to the "My Shows" part of the Tivo Stream 4K in this update?

    One reason I returned the Tivo Stream 4k is bc it was pretty buggy and randomly updated and/or was just a static list of shows that I'd watched. It did not put the latest show that it recorded like the regular Tivo did on the top of the list or anything like that.
     
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  2. BillyClyde

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    Sounds like we may be getting TiVo DVR integration based on what I think TiVoPM is saying here at Zatz’s site:

    https://zatznotfunny.com/2020-07/tivo-stream-4k-fixes-delayed/

     
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  3. osu1991

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  4. kiadontknow

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    I've long suspected that the Tivo Stream 4k is the replacement to the Tivo Mini, but they can't announce until they sell their backstock. An expensive tivo mini that doesn't include HBO Max or Disney Plus is a harder and harder value proposition. Heck, even charging money for the Tivo DVR App on Apple and Android (free on Stream4k) makes more sense than a new $150 Mini.
     
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  5. mdavej

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    So they were lying when they said,
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  6. kiadontknow

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    Was Tivo lying when they said they'd release Roku\AppleTV\AndroidTV DVR apps by the end of 2019? IMO yes.

    Over 10 years ago I was a phone monkey for Jawbone Bluetooth headsets. One day we were told when asked about a new version of the Jawbone Bluetooth headset being released, to answer that Jawbone had no intention of updating their line-up. Roughly ~2 weeks later on a Friday at 4pm we instead were given a sheet with information on the new Jawbone 2 and were told to encourage our customers to upgrade. It takes way longer than two weeks to develop a new Bluetooth headset, make them, and ship them out to the states. Jawbone had me lie to customers for ~ 2 weeks.

    Tivo has to realize that as time goes on, when people watch TV they're more likey to watch Netflix, HBO Max, Peacock, Hulu, Vudu, etc then channel 407 or the LOGO channel. Heck, I spend more time watching the CW app then the CW channel. Tivo's apps are being abandoned, Hulu is still using their old interface and the HBO app will never be upgraded to HBO Max. Tivo has to realize that eventually they're going to have to release an app. Whether that app is released next week or next year, it's going to have to happen.
     
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  7. mschnebly

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    Unless Tivo is going to abandon making any new DVRs and focus on software and streaming. Then there is no reason to update apps. They put all the DVRs that are already out there in maintenance mode until their end of life.
     
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  8. BillyClyde

    BillyClyde Active Member

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    TiVo says a lot of things that don’t happen. Also, your link is broken.
     
  9. rczrider

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    I have it from an inside source that the only department / division of TiVo that is even solvent is the patent and licensing group (or however they're arranged, we didn't get into the internal structure), which includes their "if you like this, you might like this" algorithm that is used by pretty much every app that isn't YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon (I'm sure there are others, but you get the idea).

    From what they said to me this weekend, there is an overall internal shift to pushing more software development for the purpose of selling it to smaller players who find it cheaper to license than develop their own. They said that the TS4K was TiVo's first foray into Android for the mainstream market and they're testing the waters to see what kind and quality of data they can glean from its data collection (in general) and Stream app (in particular). The idea being that they would then move almost exclusively over to licensing and software. So TiVo would start to become less prominent as a name to consumers and more prominent as a name to manufacturers.

    Take it all with a grain of salt, of course. While my source does indeed work for TiVo, we don't talk a lot and so I don't know them very well. They've been there for years and are privy to some higher-level company strategy, but not all of it. They have nothing to do with the TS4K directly.
     
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  10. jaselzer

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    What you wrote seems to make sense from everything we know or interpret from and about TiVo. At least to me, it is clear that the TiVo hardware business and their retail business are significant money losers. There is no way that TiVo makes money in those departments. Relatively speaking, I am sure the TiVo 4K stream is significantly less costly to manufacture since it is based on an existing product. And since TiVo seems to be going in the direction of a software company, I am guessing that the development of the TiVo stream application and it’s underlying data mining capability is consistent With the direction they are going in.

    I would put money down on the idea that the TiVo edge was the last of the TIvo DVR’s that will get manufactured. This is why I am also suspicious that, as discussed in another thread, the TiVo mini is being replaced by an upgraded version of the TiVo mini. I just do not believe that TiVo would put money into it.


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  11. mattyro7878

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    Isnt it hardware that in the long run generates the millions per month in fees ??
     
  12. rczrider

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    Use of the hardware, sure, but it's not the hardware that's generating revenue...it's the services and software.

    It's the same premise behind subsidized cell phones: cell provider sells the phone at a loss because they lock you into a contract (even the "bill credits" model is a contract, they just know it's not cool to call it that anymore). The individual pays significantly more than it ever costs the company to provide the service (even factoring in maintenance, regulatory licensing, upgrades, marketing, etc) and when it comes down to it, the network is there whether it's used or not. So they make up the lost cost of the phone pretty quickly and everything after that is a decent profit.

    TiVo hardware is a fixed cost, one that (as an admittedly non-user of TiVo DVRs) is probably sold to the consumer at a minimal loss. It's the service behind it that you pay for, and which makes TiVo money. Meanwhile, they collect your data, refine their software and algorithms, and license the functionality to other companies.
     
  13. mattyro7878

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    Those $1200 Galaxies and i-phones are loss leaders? I'll stick with my A-50. Even this middle of the lineup phone does more than i need.
     
  14. rczrider

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    If a person pays $1200 for their cell phone, it was probably MSRP. I specifically mentioned subsidized hardware.
     
  15. jaselzer

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    Any further information on this update. I am certainly hoping that it is very delayed because the changes are extensive!


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  16. Noelmel

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    I really hope the hurry up with this update. I need the volume fixes or to be able to manually program a code and have it stick. Tried switching to my new tv it works there automatically but won’t connect to the internet there which is all of 20 feet away and works fine in the other room so can’t be my network smh


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  17. gamo62

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    It would be nice to have that HDR fix. Having to use adbLink to turn the auto HDR off is annoying because it doesn't remember the setting.
    And by the way. Take ANYTHING that CNET has to say with a big ol' grain of salt. If you haven't noticed, they take old articles, change the date and pass them off a as new. These guys have become a joke over the years. I prefer Tom's Hardware over those clowns.
     
  18. convergent

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    I'm only a few days into TS4K here and seeing most of the issues that have been being reported for months - HDR, flicker, CEC, remote volume/mute, etc.. Did an update ever actually get pushed out, or did they just postpone it and everyone is still waiting for anything to be addressed?
     
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  19. rczrider

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    By and large, the TS4K is just as buggy now as it was on day one. I believe there was a "fix" for CEC that worked for some folks / hardware, but not all.

    Always-on HDR, flickering (especially using Kodi or Plex), and remote programming weirdness are all still present.

    If you buy the TS4K, make sure you're happy with the way it is now, because it seems quite possible that this thing is being downright ignored by TiVo.
     
  20. Alex_7

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    The only way I was able to eliminate screen flickering for Kodi and other movie apks was to lower the refresh rate settings below 30hz anything above 30hz causes flickering for me.
     

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