Major Design Speculation

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by sbiller, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Jan 7, 2012 #361 of 471
    BigJimOutlaw

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    This. A hundred times this.

    This is overall a nice and MUCH needed update. They've made significant improvements and many of the "local" actions are finally starting to hit acceptable speeds. But the internet stuff has and will always drag the experience.

    At the very least, the Premiere should cache what it should know it will need -- Discovery bar data, recorded show images/data, etc.
     
  2. Jan 7, 2012 #362 of 471
    crxssi

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    The delays are clearly visible in Dave's video. When something is selected or highlighted, the stuff to the right of it does not appear instantly, there is usually a 0.5 second delay. Also, watch for the discovery bar to change from one menu to another, average 2 seconds. When going into settings, there is a 3 second delay. When returning, it is 3 seconds before everything finishes appearing again. When he selected something on the discovery bar, it took 2 to 3 seconds to display anything about it. When he selects My Shows, there is a 2 second delay.

    One slick thing I noticed in Dave's version 20 video (other than general speedup), is to "fade" the discovery bar in and out, instead of have just just go instantly from dim to bright when it is finally ready to update it. So although it is still not fast enough, at least it doesn't look as distracting or as abrupt (to me watching his video of it, anyway).

    Most of the delays are MUCH longer on my 14.9 Premiere. I just tried now. Pressing "My shows" took 6 seconds to finish drawing EVERYTHING on the screen. Scrolling through the programs, it takes 2.5 seconds to display the info about the program on the right, when you rest on one of them. When I select a show from the list of recorded programs, it takes 3 seconds to draw the screen, and another 3 seconds before the distraction of the discovery bar update happens.

    Overall, there are lots of improvements in the HDUI performance (and function) since 14.9. I hope the speedup in his video will translate to my system here. (And I *am* in the top 5% Internet speed/latency already). If they can keep it up, this looks promising! Will it win me over? I just can't say until I actually try using it for myself.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2012 #363 of 471
    aaronwt

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    She got my Premieres too. I sent her my TSNs Friday morning and was able to update the rest of my boxes last night

    Thanks Margret!
     
  4. Jan 7, 2012 #364 of 471
    Saberj

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    One thing that I was noticing today involved a problem I've had with the HDUI in the problem. When you go between Tivo Central and the program you are watching, there is a hitch where the video and audio stutter a bit. With the latest update, there is a similar transition between the program and the guide. But it doesn't have that hitch. That's how I'd love to see the PIP box on Tivo Central operate as well. I'm wondering why there is a difference there.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2012 #365 of 471
    moyekj

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    HDUI guide has an annoying bug. With guide up if you hit guide or clear the guide dismisses but the "medium" info banner comes up. Pressing guide again and especially "clear" should never be followed by an overlay of any sort.
     
  6. Jan 7, 2012 #366 of 471
    CoxInPHX

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    Try pressing Select during a recording playback, and see that annoying behavior. :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
     
  7. Jan 7, 2012 #367 of 471
    aaronwt

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    One thing I noticed today is that you can now select the info button and go directly to one of the other three tuners on the Elite instead of cycling through with the LiveTV button.(I can still cycle through them with the LiveTV if I want)
     
  8. Jan 7, 2012 #368 of 471
    aaronwt

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    I see it brings up the mini guide and if you hit select again it goes to live TV on the program you selected.

    What did it do before with select? I know if you hit guide before the guide would come up.

    EDIT: I see the full guide comes up when you hit the guide button which is fine, but I guess the mini guide coming up when you hit select is a bug that can be added to the list for the next update.

    Also the mini guide that comes up when you hit select is at the top of the channel list. Not at the last channel viewed from Live TV.

    At least it is not a major bug. Overall this is an excellent update.
     
  9. Jan 7, 2012 #369 of 471
    davezatz

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    My Internet speed is much slower than I've been used to in recent years. However, isn't not entirely awful and has been sufficient to stream HD video via Roku and Apple TV... I'd think TiVo's minimal text and thumbnails would be no problem.

    [​IMG]

    I think it's just a poor design or implementation that obviously doesn't rely on any sort of pre-fetching and local caching for whatever reason. Having said that, the Discovery Bar is mostly eye candy and as crxssi mentioned, TiVo now seems to reuse prior (caching?!) thumbnails faded out before bringing in the new ones so it's a somewhat smoother transition. My main issues are with how the NPL list populates still somewhat too slowly and if you look at one of the screens, two line items pop in a second after everything else which is odd.

    I think I might be the only one who enjoys the Picture-In-Guide... it gives my TiVo more life. :)
     
  10. Jan 7, 2012 #370 of 471
    CoxInPHX

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    The Video window on the Guide is not hide-able with the Slow-Mo still.
     
  11. Jan 7, 2012 #371 of 471
    innocentfreak

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    I don't mind it if I am watching live TV or if I am watching a recording and hit the guide button, but if I have it disabled and I am in the menus it shouldn't show up when I go to use the guide.


    I discovered today that the new menus handle Metadata slightly differently. Currently if you are watching a pytivo pushed show with a metadata.txt file, you no longer can see the episode name during playback. It still displays the Series name and description but the episode name is missing. I haven't tried with a .TiVo file though from another TiVo or from the PC.

    I wish TiVo would share more info on metadata so wmcbrine could incorporate the changes into pytivo.
     
  12. Jan 7, 2012 #372 of 471
    moyekj

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    I think that is by design. I would say "Select" is a poor choice especially since it interferes with entering SPS codes, but then again thinking about it there aren't many remote buttons available - the arrow keys are all taken (including up), so it would have to be one of the A,B,C keys I suppose which would not be intuitive. Personally I don't like overlays most of the time and try hard to minimize when they appear which is why SPSPS code is a must for me.
     
  13. Jan 7, 2012 #373 of 471
    moyekj

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    Yes it's not too good if all tuners are busy recording something you are going to get a spoiler of some sort when bringing up the guide and have to use mute or pause button to try and ignore the video window. For consistency the "slow" button should hide the video window for HDUI guide just like it does for My Shows screen.

    I'm going to try and force myself to use HDUI for a week or so to see it it's tolerable, but all these little issues coupled with slowness still have me heavily leaning to use SDUI. To me the most useful feature by a mile will be when MRS is finally enabled in a few weeks which will enable you to watch programs from a remote TiVo that are still recording (which can't be done with MRV).
     
  14. Jan 7, 2012 #374 of 471
    LoREvanescence

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    sighs, I got an actual reply that the priority list has closed

    crys
     
  15. Jan 7, 2012 #375 of 471
    brentil

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    I think now that we have the 2nd core enabled TiVo will have the ability to do a lot of extra misc tasks they weren't able to do before. The rapid release of 14.9.2.2 and now 20 to me almost feels like the 14.9 was almost a very wide dual core shakedown to find any super hidden issues before the move to 20 with an all new kernel on top of dual core.
     
  16. Jan 7, 2012 #376 of 471
    generaltso

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    Looks like they've still been authorizing TiVos for the update over the weekend. I forced a connection this afternoon, but didn't get the update. I forced a connection again this evening and now it's updating.
     
  17. Jan 7, 2012 #377 of 471
    shadowfrom88

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    Very happy to receive the 20.2 update tonight....even if it was in the middle of the playoff game. Ive been playing with the various new HDUI screens. More than anything Im happy to see that YES, somebody in silicone valley has been busy doing something to improve out service after all. AND, having Margret being so open and transparent about the update and what it would do....and even today telling us over twitter that the next update would include KidZone in the HDUI. Its like the tivo of old has suddenly returned....love it....keep up the great work guys!!
     
  18. Jan 7, 2012 #378 of 471
    caryrae73

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    My turn I guess. Did a connection and it has been downloading for a bit.
     
  19. Jan 8, 2012 #379 of 471
    mmf01

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    Orange...
  20. Jan 8, 2012 #380 of 471
    TiVoMargret

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    Thank you!

    But... I said I expect "Parental Controls" would be available in HDUI in the next release. (KidZone is different, and I don't expect it in the next release.)
     

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