Major Design Speculation

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by sbiller, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Jan 7, 2012 #341 of 471
    HeatherA

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    If I was Margret and got 3 emails from you following the notice that my list was closed I'd hit DELETE and not look back. Just sayin'

    She's slammed with requests, hence the reason the list is closed. She's also stated that everyone will have the release by the end of the month. So at longest you have to wait 3 weeks. We've waited this long, what's 3 more weeks?
     
  2. Jan 7, 2012 #342 of 471
    LoREvanescence

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    but there is still a chance she will, remote as it is. It's better then not trying

    3 weeks is an eternity.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2012 #343 of 471
    TerpBE

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    One more minor issue I noticed: if you're FF/RWDing when you hit the guide button, it will bring up the guide and begin playing the program, rather than continuing to FF/RWD.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2012 #344 of 471
    LoneWolf15

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    I hadn't been keeping up with this, and found out we just got the update on our Premiere XL. I'm glad to see Tivo appears to be working on addressing customer issues, needs, and wants.

    Does anyone know if this update makes use of the second processor core? And, is there an official change-log out there?

    Also, has anyone managed to get the Tivo app for Android? I searched for it on the Market from my Droid Bionic, and didn't find it.

    EDIT: I navigated directly to the app from the market using the URL; I'm told my phone (running 2.3.4) is incompatible. WTH?
     
  5. Jan 7, 2012 #345 of 471
    innocentfreak

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    This is usually what happens when you compare a text based version to a graphically enhanced version. I think expecting the two to be the same speed especially when you consider how old the SDUI is you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

    I must say everytime I go back to the TiVo HD I am shocked how slow it feels compared to the Premiere running the HDUI. I guess I am just lucky since I never bothered using the SDUI except in one room where we have yet to upgrade the TV so I never got used to a new processor running an old program.
     
  6. Jan 7, 2012 #346 of 471
    morac

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    Technically 20.2 hasn't been released yet. It's still in pre-release, so there wouldn't be a sign-up list for it yet anyway. Pre-release normally only lasts 2 weeks, unless a major problem is found during that time (like with 14.9.2 which caused a delay until 14.9.2.2 was ready).
     
  7. Jan 7, 2012 #347 of 471
    morac

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    I would agree, the Premiere HDUI is faster than the SDUI on my S3 (as of 14.9.x). The Premiere HDUI is still slower than the Premiere SDUI, but it's not nearly as bad as it used to be when the Premiere first came out.
     
  8. Jan 7, 2012 #348 of 471
    nrc

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    Thanks, Dave. Graphic demonstration of what a good thing it is that they allow you to turn off the picture in TiVo Central. Good lord, "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah." A nice option might be to leave the box but automatically pause it. Sorry, not related to the new stuff, I know.

    Could some of that speed issue be related to Internet connection speed? Didn't you say you'd recently moved somewhere with questionable internet? Specifically things like details for the stuff in the Discovery Bar might be Internet related.
     
  9. Jan 7, 2012 #349 of 471
    crxssi

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    I have to agree. Sending multiple requests in a short time frame to her about the same thing is just rude/annoying.
     
  10. Jan 7, 2012 #350 of 471
    bobrt6676

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    I did not sign-up, but this morning I checked and had "pending restart". I rebooted and had the update. SWEET! :)
     
  11. Jan 7, 2012 #351 of 471
    LoREvanescence

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    Well, the first one was just my TSN, the next one I typed up a very polite paragraph about why I want it.

    The other was just a question on whether or not they would be opening up the priority list again, and promised her no more emails. But yes, my TSN was in all 3. I was trying to be polite as possible, especially in the last one
     
  12. Jan 7, 2012 #352 of 471
    crxssi

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    No, this is what happens when you compare a text based version to a graphically enhanced version that isn't properly designed. One that has to force the user to wait while it loads stuff off the Internet, even when the user doesn't necessarily care about that info. One that throws in "wait states" switching from one res to the other. One that isn't multithreaded to take advantage of all the CPU resources it has. Stuff like that.

    Scratch what I said in the last post- I don't really have expectations that the HDUI should be the same speed as the SDUI, but it shouldn't be *painful* to make the switch. Of course "painful" is very subjective and will vary from one person to another. At least the amount of pain is being reduced with each significant update.
     
  13. Jan 7, 2012 #353 of 471
    crxssi

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    OK, well, that is not as bad as some of us imagined :)
     
  14. Jan 7, 2012 #354 of 471
    crxssi

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    I, and other people, have performed numerous tests that indicate that if one's Internet speed/latency is poor, it can very much negatively impact the HDUI experience. But if one's speed/latency is excellent, it will not make the delays go away. They only go so small. Even on a first-rate, top 5% of the country Internet provider, with perfect routers, proper cabling, etc, people can see multi-second waits for things to appear.

    It is bad enough to design something that requires live Internet access in order to perform a task that does not, but it is even worse that it seems TiVo's servers, themselves are the only place the machine talks to.... so you are then at the mercy of the speed of TiVo's datacenter AND their connection to the Internet, as well as your connection to the Internet.

    On the Premiere, there is plenty of space on the hard drive, plenty of down-time, and for most people, plenty of bandwidth. It should be designed to cache and preload as much as possible so almost nothing has to be "live accessed" through the Internet- unless the user specifically chooses such a function.
     
  15. Jan 7, 2012 #355 of 471
    sbiller

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    Very well said! Where is that TCF Like Button?!?
     
  16. Jan 7, 2012 #356 of 471
    TiVoMargret

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    Sorry, my mistake when I said the image with the progress bar was for channel changing. That only happens when you enter live TV. Channel changing is what you have shown. (No progress bar.)
     
  17. Jan 7, 2012 #357 of 471
    TiVoMargret

    TiVoMargret VP Product Dev & Chief Design Officer, TiVo

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    I expect Parental Controls in HDUI in the next release.
     
  18. Jan 7, 2012 #358 of 471
    sbiller

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    Hi Margret,

    Can you give us a hint regarding the timeframe of the next release? Spring, Summer or Fall 2012?
     
  19. Jan 7, 2012 #359 of 471
    innocentfreak

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    This somewhat confuses me because I have seen other similar comments saying the same thing. I never have to wait on my TiVo running ths HDUI. Just like in Dave's video I have no problem doing what I want when I want it to. Mine seems to be even quicker than his video, but this could also be due to the Slide remote which makes a noticeable improvement in response time.
     
  20. Jan 7, 2012 #360 of 471
    innocentfreak

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    I noticed something today which I do like. When a show ends, you don't get the bong. You still get the TiVo sound when you delete or keep the recording, but he delete window pops up silently.
     

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