Major Design Speculation

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by sbiller, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Jan 6, 2012 #221 of 471
    machpost

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    It's a lot smaller than any non-DVR HD box I've ever rented from a cable company.
     
  2. Jan 6, 2012 #222 of 471
    davezatz

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    It's kind of a long story... We just moved into short term corporate-style housing as we renovate and sell our home. The new digs come with about 50 channels of DirecTV over QAM. It's all SD unfortunately. In fact, it's rather maddening. I'm sure I'll end up resubscribing to Hulu Plus and Netflix and buying more Amazon or Apple VOD. Maybe even going Blu-ray. As the Internet is weak - we're going from FiOS 25/25 to about 5-6 down, 1-2 up. Ah well, at least it's all hard wired and the speed was sufficient to stream a few episodes of Breaking Bad in pseudo-HD via Amazon on the Roku.
     
  3. Jan 6, 2012 #223 of 471
    Joe Siegler

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    You mean like this? :)

    I don't see a DVR getting that small, though.
     
  4. Jan 6, 2012 #224 of 471
    aaronwt

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    Apple? their AppleTV only outputs at a max resolution of 720P.
     
  5. Jan 6, 2012 #225 of 471
    Mike Pfeifer

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    I could be wrong, but I thought I read a report that iOS 5.1 for apple tv had code for 1080 output. I don't have one, so I don't follow it that closely.
     
  6. Jan 6, 2012 #226 of 471
    aaronwt

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    isn't that just the code in iOS 5.1 that will be used for the next version of AppleTV which will have 1080P? The current version is limited by hardware to 720p isn't it?
     
  7. Jan 6, 2012 #227 of 471
    morac

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    Yes it is. The iPhone 4S and iPad 2 are both currently capable of outputting 1080p via HDMI.
     
  8. Jan 6, 2012 #228 of 471
    tomm1079

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    on your elite? nice! i was hoping they where getting it to.
     
  9. Jan 6, 2012 #229 of 471
    caryrae73

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    Any news about getting Xfinity On Demand on the Premieres that was announced a while ago?
     
  10. Jan 6, 2012 #230 of 471
    nrc

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    It's a cable company device that may or may not ever be offered at retail. With cable companies cheap and bulletproof is more important than small and cute.

    Even if it's offered at retail it's very unlikely that it will ever sell enough boxes to justify the kind of engineering and production expense required to skinny down the otherwise "off-the-shelf" internals.

    I would bet that there isn't a retail Preview available now because TiVo is still trying to figure out whether and how they can money on it. Can they price it to sell and make money without a subscription? Particularly since a Preview would likely cannibalize sale of some of their DVRs.
     
  11. Jan 6, 2012 #231 of 471
    jrtroo

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    That makes it a risky enterprise to release on retail. If this was only applicable to the Elite, it may not make an impact. Otherwise, at a minimum, it needs to be a subscription with the same margin as a regular P or costly enough that it gives enough cash flow without any subsidy unlike their other units.

    My personal guess is that until there are enough of these in the field that they can reduce mfr costs a significant amount they will not come to retail (or if they never move any to cablecos and they drop the product HP tablet style).
     
  12. Jan 6, 2012 #232 of 471
    compnurd

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  13. Jan 6, 2012 #233 of 471
    bradleys

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    I disagree... Multi-tivo homes are not a sustainable growth market for TiVo, they need to find a way to provide a mass market "whole home dvr". That is what they are missing and they is what everyone is trying to get.

    Stand alone devices are not the answer - A central server with extenders is the design that is going to win that race. Do not move in that direction then you might as well close up shop.
     
  14. Jan 6, 2012 #234 of 471
    Joe Siegler

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    Also, as more and more TV's get this stuff built into them, the need for external boxes (TiVo, Roku, whatever) is lessened. Then there's the possibility of what might come in the Xbox 720, if those rumours are to be believed.

    I've been a TiVo fan for ages, and probably will have one until such time that I can't foresee now <g>, but I have wondered about long term sustainability.

    However, isn't this conversation better suited for a different thread? This is supposed to be about what's going on with the new software now rolling out.
     
  15. Jan 6, 2012 #235 of 471
    Saberj

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    She mentioned before that it wouldn't be until it rolled out to everyone.
     
  16. Jan 6, 2012 #236 of 471
    L David Matheny

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    Maybe long-term, with TVs having more built-in network capabilities, there needs to be a standard way for TVs on the local network to stream from the TiVo server with no additional box required.
     
  17. Jan 6, 2012 #237 of 471
    JosephB

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    There is such a standard. It's called RVU and was formed primarily by DirecTV and Samsung, but Cisco and Verizon (among others) are also members of the group. It's a standard that allows the set top box to generate the menus, graphics, and video and send it to a remote display which then simply shows what comes over the wire. The remote display is then responsible for accepting remote commands and sending them back to the server.

    The only products using this right now is the new DirecTV Home Media Center HR34 and a few select Samsung TVs. DirecTV is also working to release a small remote box so that TVs that don't have this functionality can still connect to the server, but it's basically a display-less RVU client.

    For what its worth, this is DirecTV's answer to AllVid, but I don't think it really meets the spirit of what the FCC wants to do, since EVERYTHING is handled by the server, the entire interface. There's no room for extra services to be added by the client.
     
  18. Jan 6, 2012 #238 of 471
    jrtroo

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    I know, this is off topic. I'm referring to stand alone Previews. I agree with Tivo- the growth is getting in through the cable cos, as consumer acceptance of a box they buy at retail has not matured. Not that it cannot, but consumers, for the most part, have preferred one-stop-shopping for TV watching.

    In other words, I think we agree- but disagree how it would work.
     
  19. Jan 6, 2012 #239 of 471
    sbiller

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    There is another thread discussing the possibility of a retail TiVo Preview -->

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=478344
     
  20. Jan 6, 2012 #240 of 471
    jrtroo

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    Ok. back on topic.

    I'm confused about one aspect of the changes. At first, I thought the entire HDUI was completed, which appeared confirmed by post #1 in this thread.

    But, in reading a few tivodesign tweets, and at least one of the competing posts on this topic, it appears that not all of the screens are in HD. Does this include a hybrid of a background update with the same SD screens (which seems indicated earlier in this thread)?

    Can someone post a pic?
     

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