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Madam Secretary, Season 5 (**Spoilers**)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Mikeguy, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Oct 8, 2018 #1 of 39
    Mikeguy

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    The Season 5 premiere:

    Wow, talk about a first 5 minutes. And then, a last 10. Wow.

    (And that's no way to treat Linda Lavin.)
     
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    RGM1138

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    I forgot to watch it last night. Now it’s waiting for me, ready to watch on All Access. Yea!

    :)
     
  3. Oct 8, 2018 #3 of 39
    Mikeguy

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    (I'm glad that I didn't spoilerize it for you, apart from suggesting that you stay glued to the screen and not multitask during both the beginning and ending segments especially. ;) )
     
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    laria

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    Well that was a little heavy handed
     
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    Wil

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    [direction not mentioned]-ist porn.
     
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    laria

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    I don't even know if it was that, it was just uncomfortably over the top and unnatural, especially the scene with the guest stars.

    I know it says spoilers but it seems like people are avoiding spoilers. :)

    The rest of the story was ok though.
     
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    Wil

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    This was posted somewhere, seems on point.

     
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    laria

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    Oh well, I still like the show. I expect it will go back to normal next week. :)
     
  9. Oct 9, 2018 #9 of 39
    Cainebj

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    I love the show.

    I thought Linda Lavin's character was great
    - I was disappointed by the outcome - they should have had her replace Bebe Neuworth.

    One shot I didn't get was right before the explosion (the second time) - the daughter looks to her right and Linda Lavin seems to take notice. I watched it in slow motion I was trying to figure out if there was something about the phone ringing that tipped her off. If you blinked you would have missed it, but I found it fascinating.

    Those former Secretary's of State are terrible actors LOL
     
  10. Mikeguy

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    ^ This.
    I disagree with that anonymous review--I didn't see the performance in this episode any different than that in any of the others in the series. I enjoy the series (including this episode) but find the writing somewhat lacking, compared to a "West Wing." Most specifically, "Madam Secretary" tends to feel to me like a 33-1/3 LP recording that has been sped up to 78 RPM--enormous issues and stories come forward and get resolved in 42 minutes or so, creating and enhancing an artificiality.
     
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    I'm glad the show is back, but I'm not thrilled with this episode. They packed it with a bunch of complex issues and then then resolved everything without any effort. And the guest stars really felt tacked on. I think it would have been much better if they were just presented with a problem and they improvised how they'd work through it. The scriptedness really was evident and made the scene feel wooden and unneeded. I liked the real-world lesson Stevie got about going behind someone's back. Welcome to the world of politics!
     
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    I thought the performance by the other secretaries wasn't bad, considering how bad the writing was for that segment.
     
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    Yeah, it's not like they had much to work with. :)

    It was just such a weird segment. The writing made it look like Elizabeth doesn't know how to do her job at all, like she doesn't know anything to say in a speech? These former Secretaries probably don't live in DC... so they're going to all fly in and help Elizabeth do her job? Do they not have Facetime? :)
     
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    I’m glad to see that Linda Lavin is still hitting on all cylinders at her age. It’s a shame they didn’t keep her.

    If the McCords are having problems over little things at this point, it’s gonna be really tough when she’s running for POTUS.

    It’s kinda hard to believe that a terrorist team could get onto the roof of a building 2 blocks from the White House. Maybe, inside a building.

    But this is one of the most watched venues in the country. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just unlikely. I would think that most buildings in a several block radius are all government anyway.
     
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    I'm really tired of seeing Hillary on my entertainment shows. :(

    I find it really hard to believe that it's common to bring in former secretaries of state from both parties to advise.

    I usually love this show, so I'm hoping you're right when you say it will go back to normal. :up:
     
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  16. Mikeguy

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    I would think that this should be a norm, at all levels, consulting with the people who have already done the job and who presumably have a wealth of knowledge.
     
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    Prior to the current administration, it wasn't uncommon for high ranking officials to consult with the predecessors on sensitive issues and solicit their advice.

    I've read that Kerry consulted with Clinton, Clinton consulted with Rice, Powell and Albright, etc....
    (It's not like there's a training manual for Secretary of State.)
    What would be unusual would be having all three of them in person at Foggy Bottom.

    And it's been that way with modern Presidents as well.
    Obama consulted with Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, and Carter and the same with his predecessors.
    Because there aren't that many people still alive who understand being the President of the United States.
     
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    Yeah, I had no trouble believing that they would consult with predecessors over issues... it was the whole premise that she needed them all to gather there in person to help her write a speech that I had an issue with, and the way they wrote the scene to basically give an excuse to have all 3 of the real ones really hammer the theme home.
     
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    Comparing this to The West Wing is really unfair. I haven't seen more than a few episodes of TWW, but it's Sorkin and Sorkin has sort of a cult following here and among critics. The styles of the same shows are completely different. It's sort of like comparing Marcus Welby with ER (and yes, I'm dating myself). The shows (from what I've seen of TWW and knowing how Sorkin writes from other things I've watched) has a completely different pace. For what it is, Madame Sec'y is fun, and interesting, and I enjoy the family dynamics as much as the political ones.

    As for this episode, and at the risk of this becoming too political, yeah, they were over the top with the three former Secretaries, but I do get the point they were trying to make, and I expected the reaction of the anonymous review from some. What we've generally seen from this show is an administration right down the middle. They've talked about it numerous times. I THINK that the President was originally a Republican but the second election he won as an Independent. I enjoyed the episode. And I didn't even realize that was Linda Lavin until it was mentioned here. Obviously they are setting this up for Stevie to become the Chief of Staff's full on assistant.
     
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    I don't know about that... temporarily maybe. But she said Adelle would be coming back from back from vacation in like 2 weeks.
     

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