Mad Men "Waterloo" 5/25/14

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jsmeeker, May 25, 2014.

  1. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

    May 17, 2001


    I don't recall exactly which scene it was, but there was a shot of someone putting a big bunch of lucite grapes on the table after a meal. At least three households in my family (including my own) had that same centerpiece when I was a kid.

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  2. Pennsylvan6500

    Pennsylvan6500 New Member

    Apr 11, 2013
    What, exactly, was the contract breach?
  3. kdelande

    kdelande TiVo-Wobble

    Dec 17, 2001
    Him invading that covert meeting Cutler and Avery had with the Commander cigarette guys.
  4. kaszeta

    kaszeta $nullstring TCF Club

    Jun 11, 2004
    Grantham, NH
    He was required to stick to the script. He didn't (he wasn't even supposed to be in the meeting with Commander)
  5. markymark_ctown

    markymark_ctown Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2004


    Ya, I don't think Don would even dispute it was breach and said so much when he confronted Cutler. He was trying to save his job since he would have been pushed out had they gotten the business under the original plan.

    I rewatched the episode again to see who might be coming back:

    When Roger meets with the McCann (sp?) guy, Roger says he wants to get rid of all the "baggage". Cutler out.

    When they have the final meeting to discuss the acquisition, Roger says they all need 5 year contracts. Cutler in.

    Later when Cutler votes no, Roger says something to the effect that Cutler is not even relevant to the deal and that McCann only wants the Chevy team - himself, Don, and Ted.

    Cutler out. :)
  6. brianric

    brianric Well-Known Member

    Aug 29, 2002
    Pennsville, NJ
    Cutler voted yes in the end.
  7. markymark_ctown

    markymark_ctown Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2004
    Yes, because "well it's a lot of money." He'll get the payout regardless of going forward with the firm.
  8. Satchel

    Satchel Well-Known Member

    Dec 8, 2001
    Dallas, TX
    Cutler's a partner...he gets paid the same if he stays or goes.

    But I recall it was 25% at takeover and the rest over the 5 years.
  9. Numb And Number2

    Numb And Number2 Member

    Jan 13, 2009
  10. frombhto323

    frombhto323 Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Washington, DC
    Never felt right to me either. They looked and talked like couples who, upon first meeting them, you have a strong feeling that they are mismatched.

    Don (yelling): "Everyone, get out here!!"
    Joan (coming out from her office): "What's this about?"
    Don: "Didn't you get the letter?"
    Joan: "Yes."
    Don: "Then why did you ask 'what's this about?'"

    When Don is at the top of his game, no one can sneak BS past him. And Roger is no slouch at all when he has his game face on.

    Yes, Sally is becoming more like Betty (ugh!) in mannerisms, but Don might just save her after all.

    Nice send off for Robert Morse.

    What the hell was Harry thinking?

    It was fitting that the protégé Peggy landed the BC account with a narrative that relates to her personal life. The mentor Don at his best would often do that.

    Speaking of Peggy, didn't Julio nail the bittersweet farewell?
  11. edc

    edc Active Member

    Mar 24, 2002

    S,C,D & P would've been equal partners when the new company was formed. That means they remained on equal footing here (with Lane's shares redistributed among the name partners, not Joan or Pete).

    Similarly, assuming Gleason's shares were redistributed in that fashion, Ted and Jim would be equal partners with slightly higher percentages.

    Thus, 5 + 10 + 20 + 20 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 100 seems reasonable.
  12. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    Cutler was part of the Chevy team and was named by the McCann guy as part of who they'd want. So he's in. The difference is that Roger set up the deal so that he (Roger) would be in charge. Cutler is the man in charge now, for reasons that Bert laid out in his final talk with Roger. The reason he was objecting to the deal is that he knows his ability to realize his vision for the firm -- i.e., because he's in control -- is gone if it goes through. But he's still part of the deal.
  13. lpamelaa

    lpamelaa Member

    May 3, 2004
    Los Angles, CA
  14. Robin

    Robin Impolite arrogant woman

    Dec 6, 2001
    Sally fixing up her hair to go lifeguard cracked me up.

    I also liked the religious adherence to not swimming for an hour after eating.
  15. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    That's exactly what I figured Bert meant -- what a great line that will forever be remembered.

    This was on the of the fastest MM hours since its first few seasons. As much as I loved this ep, it failed to redeem some of the early crap this season...
  16. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    I loved the episode and all the things going on that were crammed into an hour.

    My only issue (and a small one) is how they handled the Meghan/Don split. Okay, we knew it was coming. But really just her saying "Don....." was lame. Not "Don, let's face it...." or "Don, it's painful to say but...." I mean WE could see her facial expressions and Don's, but could he really know from just the one word.

    Everything else was great.

    Loved the Moon Landing and yes, Roger saying "it's a tagline". That made me chuckle.
  17. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    They've both known it was over for months. I don't think any more words were needed.
  18. StacieH

    StacieH betativowho??

    Jan 2, 2009
    Between San...
    Did anyone else recognize Kellie Martin (Life Goes On) as Betty's friend?
  19. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    Yes - Anne Dudek must have been busy!

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