Mad Men "Time Zones" 4/13/14 S7E1

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  1. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Ken was complaining that he couldn't meet with the client's new Head of Marketing because that was a position beneath him and it would make Ken look less important if he took a meeting with someone junior to him. So Joan figured she could act as Ken's "underling" and take the meeting on his behalf rather than cancel it.

    But then it turned out the meeting was with a young, hotshot MBA who was planning to fire SC&P and bring all the advertising in house. So Joan realized she didn't really have the depth of business knowledge she needed to counter this guy's arguments, so she went to the college to get a crash MBA course from the professor.

    Armed with her new info, she called the client's Head of Marketing and helped him understand that he'd be foolish to bring the advertising in house because he'd then have to compete for ad buying time with all the ad agencies, and also he'd be the one responsible if things declined, and the industry was already trending downward. This got that character to realize he was in over his head and he asked her what he should do.

    The only part I was confused about was why Ken was mad at her at the end. She did him a huge favor and if he'd stop being an ass for two seconds and ask her what happened, he'd find that out.
     
  2. Numb And Number2

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    No. People are responsible for themselves.
     
  3. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    Yeah, it took me a little while to catch her drift...."he was thirsty...and he died of thirst"....
     
  4. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    Actually the part at the end - Ken being mad - was the only part I did get. He was being an ass and by her doing this favor and making things right it shows to her that he was and it has him in her debt. I also think he may have been pissed that she used his office.
     
  5. Zevida

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    Joan did not "figure" she'd act as Ken's underling, that's explicitly why he had called her into his office, to give her the account because he couldn't go and he didn't have anyone else to send.

    At the end he was only mad about her using his office - he was happy with how she handled things and even though she was freaked about losing the account, he explained that's how every account man feels. Then he told her to stay out of his office - if she's the junior account person, she doesn't get to use his secretary and office to make client calls. It was putting her in her place - which is actually a good thing, because it means he's treating her like an account man, not a secretary.
     
  6. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    Okay I like this reasoning better.
     
  7. Jesda

    Jesda CAPTAIN AWESOME

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    The first four seasons were spectacular. After that, the characters became repetitive and ceased to grow and develop. The situations ran out of tension.


    I don't need bombs and explosions. The writing for Mad Men, this season and last, stinks.
     
  8. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    And you base this statement one ONE episode this season? Wow...
     
  9. cmontyburns

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    Peggy is an agent in her own decisions, of course. But she decided to leave SCDP for CG&C to get away from Don, and then Don and Ted decided to merge the firms and she wound up right back where she was. Very obviously some of her problems originate with the men around her.
     
  10. cmontyburns

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    Well, I never said she could fire Ken. Perhaps "boss" was too evocative a word. I simply meant that organizationally, she's his superior. That's all.
     
  11. Robin

    Robin Impolite arrogant woman

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    He asked, but did he get one?

    Wasn't it that he didn't want to go, not that he couldn't?
     
  12. vman41

    vman41 Omega Consumer

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    Ken is frantic from overwork. He doesn't need a reason to blow up, it just happens.
     
  13. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

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    Yeah, couldn't for appearance reasons - not wanting to appear beneath his status, not appearance as in eye patch. :)
     
  14. Jesda

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    It doesn't matter if only one episode of the current season has aired. It's part of an ongoing chain of dull episodes.

    All of last season was a bore as the characters fell into a repetitive groove and the business-related drama lost its appeal.
     
  15. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

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    But he didn't tell her to take the meeting. He specifically instructed her to call the client and cancel the meeting because he would be "unavailable".

    (Or am I totally misremembering?)
     
  16. john4200

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    Misremembering. He wanted her to take the meeting. Although I'm sure he did not expect her to do what she did. I think he was expecting to lose the client. Mostly he just wanted her to get the client to leave him alone.
     
  17. TAsunder

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    Huh. I also interpreted it as him telling her to cancel the meeting. But it seemed kind of wink-winky so it also seemed like he was implying that he just didn't want to know about it.
     
  18. john4200

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    "Tell him I couldn't make it at the last minute... [hands Joan the account folder] I'm having dinner with GM, no, don't mention other clients"

    "[looking pleased] Certainly. I appreciate your confidence in me."

    "Just make him go away."


    It seemed pretty clear to me. He wanted her to take the meeting, make an excuse why he could not make it, and to get the client to leave him alone.
     
  19. TAsunder

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    Thanks. Seems pretty clear when you consider the folder (which I didn't notice).
     
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