Mad Men | "The Monolith" | 2014-05-04

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  1. Satchel

    Satchel Well-Known Member

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    I believe I remarked in the season premiere thread that I didn't find one happy person in the entire episode.
     
  2. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    The hippie commune was pretty happy.

    Well until Roger showed up.
     
  3. kaszeta

    kaszeta $nullstring TCF Club

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    Portnoy's Complaint, which had just been released.
     
  4. goblue97

    goblue97 Welcome Home, Jimmy!

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    Ken Cosgrove is likable, although he wasn't in this episode.
     
  5. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    Ok, I'll give you Ken but even the ones who are supposed to be likable aren't so far this season (or half season or whatever) - Joan and Peggy.
     
  6. TiVo'Brien

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    My wife thinks maybe Don was deliberately sabotaging SC&P's chances of ever getting LeaseTech's business because of how Bert reacted to the idea. "Don't like my idea? Well, fine, see if you ever get LeaseTech's business!" Kaboosh.
     
  7. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I'm skeptical about that explanation, because if the other partners decide they want to pitch LeaseTech, do we really think the LeaseTech guy is going to reject SC&P simply because of Don's one drunken outburst?
     
  8. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    Don will apologize, the LeaseTech guy will sign with SC&P but only if Don leads the account. It'll be a successful campaign and Don will be restored to star status. I think.
     
  9. Robin

    Robin Impolite arrogant woman

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    I really hope not. She's better than that. (even if she hasn't been acting like it this season.)

    I could never FF through part of a show but I will multi-task on my phone if something bores me.

    I see this complaint a lot. (also about Girls.)

    I don't know what it says about me that I'm perfectly content watching unhappy, unlikable, people.
     
  10. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Agreed. They've used Lou's dismissal of Peggy's (ultimately Don's) pitches as a way to demonstrate that Lou doesn't recognize creative talent and doesn't understand its value. In trying to defend Lou, the best endorsement Cutler could come up with was "adequate."

    So if Peggy then rejects a good idea from Don just to spite him, that will essentially be her becoming the same as Lou, and we're supposed to understand that Peggy has creative talent and wouldn't betray that just for emotional reasons.

    I think the more likely scenario is that Don comes up with a really good idea, he and Peggy work together to create the pitch, and then when Lou rejects it, their relationship is repaired as they are galvanized together to defeat Lou and restore the respect for creativity that the firm seems to have lost.
     
  11. Jonathan_S

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    Hope you're right. Even as mad as Peggy is at Don (because she thinks he deliberately sent Ted to CA and away from her) I think she's professional enough to take his work when it's good.

    But she was stuck in the really ****ty position of being assigned to run a team that contains her titular superior (and company partner). She's trying (badly; not that there's really a great way to do it) to make it clear that she was given lead on this project and Don wasn't; he's got to work for her. It'd be all to easy to be a bit passive and end up with Don effectively taking over the team and the account she'd been given.



    And worse, she isn't in the loop on the limits and conditions on Don's return to work; or what that shows about the rest of the partners feelings towards him. So she doesn't really know why Lou was able to assign the 'other' Head of Creative to her team as a subordinate or how to play to Don's status to get good work out of him.
     
  12. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    Oh I definitely hope not too.

    It seems like they are setting us up to think that she will, but that will be the twist - that after working with Don again she will see how well they do together and they both can kick Lou's butt.
     
  13. stellie93

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    I wonder why they didn't tell anyone what Don's rules are. It would have been easier to catch him if everyone knew what to look for. It wouldn't occur to Peggy to run and tell that Don took a drink. (which incidentally seems grossly unfair considering how much everyone else drinks--and other things--on the job.
     
  14. Bierboy

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    Well he IS pushing IBM crap...
     
  15. Steveknj

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    I find it interesting that we have been speculating that it would be Don's daughter that winds up becoming a hippie and it turns out to be Roger's.
     
  16. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    This exactly. FWIW, I think Peggy respects Don's opinion, and still considers him her mentor. I think it's one reason why she was so frustrated with his behavior, yet didn't go to Lou or the partners to rat him out, even after Joan told her about Don's stipulations. Lou has made it pretty clear he's threatened by Don's presence.

    BTW, I found Peggy kind of likable this episode.

    I also don't think this is Don's last crash, but I knew it was going to happen eventually, just not this soon. I'm glad he took his criticism to heart.
     
  17. Steveknj

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    I really think they are having trouble figuring out what to do with the West Coast guys. Turns out that the west coast guys get a lead, and it's handed off to the guys on the East Coast. I get the show is essentially Don's story, but at least, if you're going to have a West Coast office, give them something to do.

    Are we going to see Bob Benson this season? We've heard him mentioned a few times. I know the actor is on The Crazy Ones.
     
  18. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    Reading this, it makes sense and I am rethinking my first impression - which was similar but this says it better.
     
  19. lpamelaa

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    Mad Style recap just posted: http://tomandlorenzo.com/2014/05/mad-style-the-monolith/

    Here's my favorite insight about the LeaseTech guy:

    "A short-sleeved dress shirt and a pocket protector. He’ll wear this for the next two decades, at which point it will become such a massive cliche and a generally understood shorthand for “nerd,” that he’ll finally stop. He’ll also probably be a millionaire by then."
     
  20. tem

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    Did I hear them right saying that there are 'only three mad men left *this year*' ? WTF ?

    Are they pulling a Breaking Bad ?
     

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