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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by zordude, Apr 28, 2014.
For a second there seemed to be an implication that it was Betty's favorite part too.
There was the cleavage scene with the farm girl. That's a payoff.
Why was Joan so pissy towards Don?
Has Bert done any work in the entirety of the series?
Peggy, Joan, Betty, Megan. I didn't like any of the major female characters in this episode.
Yea, I'm with you. This just doesn't make sense. I think the writers took a wrong turn, and anybody with a lick of sense would NOT risk his share of the partnership (even in the 70's this was a lot of money) for a second rate position, so demoted, and at risk.
Bad choice, showrunner.....
It's the new Don, for however long it lasts. This is clearly the arc the show is on so far this season. Him rejecting the offer would have been the old Don thing to do.
Besides, my read was that the other offer he got was a lowball one. That's why he went to Roger's in the first place. We know that he's damaged goods in the industry. He knows it now, too, and that his best chance to get back on his feet is at his own firm.
Who was the girl who invited Sob up to her room? Did that end up being Roger's room, or was it just misdirection on the show's part?
She was just a woman being very forward. Don's at the table, thinking he's received a good offer and that they've gotten him a hooker to boot. They denied the girl was their doing, which is probably true because the offer turns out to be a lowball one (or at least, one for a lesser position). Don realizes this when he finally looks at the offer (offscreen), which is what drives him to go to Roger's place.
Yes, we're meant to think for a moment that he's knocking on the door of the girl's room.
Don showed Roger the offer, it couldn't have been that lowball.
Thank you for explaining that.
Excellent observation. While I really didn't like the Betty stuff (and boy, she went from hot young mom to scary older mom), I do get that she's sort of becoming Don, while Don is evolving. Is Betty still seeing a shrink? She needs one because her self confidence is shot (well that's certainly the opposite of Don though).
The Peggy thing, well I think it's about Ted, but I think it's also about her unhappiness at SC&P. Now she's down another rung and her advancement is stalled completely. Bringing Don is another step backwards.
Joan just got the big promotion, things were looking up for her. Don could only bring turmoil to what she saw as a smooth running ship.
I can't get past how terrible Megan's teeth look. She's gone from REALLY cute, to kinda scary looking.
I still like Peggy, because I really think that she's in a bad spot, and she's a career gal who's kind of stuck in what is still and old boys club. I think that's made her bitter. I don't think she's a bad person, just a frustrated one.
I disagree. It's clear to me this season is going to be about Don's redemption. I think he feels he needs to come clean and make peace with those he's wronged. It's kind of like his own 12 step program. He did this with his daughter, with pretty good results. He tried it with Megan, which didn't work out nearly as well, but I think there's an opening, because I think Megan still loves him. You could see it when he was talking to the flight attendant (or should we call her a stewardess as they were called back then), where he normally would have flirted with her, but instead talked about going to surprise his wife and ordered tomato juice instead of booze. SC&P is another step for him. He wants redemption in the eyes of his partners and colleagues, and by taking a lower rung position, he can work his way back to his old stature and earn the respect of everyone. I think his next bit of redemption will be with Peggy.
This is what I'm thinking. In fact if it was a lowball, I don't think there would have been much incentive for Roger to bring him back. Remember Roger was fighting for him, and I THINK he wanted to bring him back to his old job. It was the others who wanted all the stipulations attached. I think the deal was probably fair, but I never thought it was a lowball. If it was, Don played it all wrong. Rather than SHOW Roger the offer, he could have just SAID he got another offer and he's giving SC&P a chance to bring him back.
Thank goodness Don is finally getting a redemption arc. I had gotten pretty tired of his continuous downward spiral.
I took another look at that scene, and Roger said: "That's a nice offer. They're trying hard to make it seem like it's not a demotion." So I agree; it probably wasn't a lowball offer financially, but it was in terms of role. This actually makes more sense. Don's first choice is to go back to work at SC&P. Given that, when faced with a demotion there or at another agency, of course he'll pick SC&P.
It might not have been lowball, but it certainly wasn't attractive. Besides, Roger "missed" Don, and I think Don sensed that Roger would, which is why he went to him hat in hand. Beyond wanting Don back from a personal standpoint, I also think Roger wants (and certainly needs, IMO) an ally against the other partners, except maybe Cooper. I think battle lines will eventually be drawn with Joan somewhat in the middle as the swing vote, so to speak.
I also did not get Peggy's bitchiness towards Don at first, but I still see it more as general frustration than anything else. It certainly won't help that Don is booting her from her office.
Speaking of bitchiness, ah, Betty, Betty, Betty. You just can't help yourself, can you? Her mother-in-law was spot on: Betty has the mind of a child.
The biggest difference is probably the partnership. At SC&P, Don is a partner. At any other agency, even if he is head of creative, he won't be a partner.
I didn't feel like Betty didn't want to go to the farm. She seemed interested as a way to connect with Bobby.
What I didn't get was why everyone is upset with her for Bobby trading her sandwich. I mean, it was her lunch. Maybe there was a better way to explain it to him because he is a child, but it was her lunch.
I actually loved that Don took the offer. Even with the ridiculous restrictions. Don IS changing and this episode showed it. I want to go back and rewatch the first episode and see what was catalyst. Was it Sally? Was it the low offer from another firm? was it all before that? I mean, he hasn't been with other women and seemed to not drink as much, so I am not sure.
Peggy should be realizing that it's not Ted and not Don, it's Lou and his attitude towards her. Totally demeaning. I hope that maybe little by little she and Don can team up and maybe blindside him somehow.
Definitely this. Even though Don went to Roger, he was welcomed and encouraged. Did Roger not tell anyone else about him coming back on purpose? And Dawn should let him know she is not his minion anymore.
I get that she'd be upset that he traded away her lunch for candy.
But how she reacted. Ouch. Flipped 180 and froze him out; rebuffed his offer to attempt to fix the situation, then refused his attempt to suffer with her ("I don't want the candy anymore").
Basically she viewed it all about his not loving her and overreacted. It should have been a simple enough learning moment, but what it turned into...