Luke Cage (full season)

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  1. Queue

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    I thought I remember something about Sokovia accords? Or am I getting confused with the first episode of Agents of Shield?
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That was AoS. There was no mention of Sokovia in this. They did mention aliens and "the incident" so it's definitely after the first Avengers movie.
     
  3. Bill Reeves

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    Finished it today. I agree with pretty much everyone that it bogged down when Cottonmouth was killed and Diamondback was brought in as the bad guy. It was kind of a chore getting through episodes 8 and 9.

    Compared to the other Netflix series, it is weaker on story than the others. It's tough to have a good story when the hero is so perfect. Daredevil was always questioning whether he was doing the right thing, and Jessica Jones was badly damaged from her previous encounters with the bad guy, but Luke Cage's only problem is that he cares too much, or something. The story borrowed heavily from various tropes - his father figure dies early on which causes him to get serious, and later on he finds out that the bad guy is related to him... that happened to another guy named Luke a few decades ago.

    But the music and the acting made this really fun to watch. (Except for Diamondback.) The scene in the third episode where he attacks the stronghold with Wu Tang playing was great. In the fifth or sixth episode, where he got dressed up for Pop's memorial but then had to go clean up the bad guys and got bullet holes in his very nice shirt was fun. The cameo from Method Man towards the end was great.

    I'm glad that Shades survived so we can see him again. I like the actor who played Cottonmouth, ever since he was on The 4400 a decade or so ago. All the acting was great, the bad guys were all smooth, except for Diamondback who really belonged on a different show.

    I found Luke Cage much more fun to watch than the other Netflix Marvel series, but that's because the other series are all so dark. Jessica Jones was like a series of horror movies where the bad guy makes someone kill themselves at the end of every episode, and Daredevil had these long bloody fights. Luke Cage had these kind of silly fun action scenes where Luke picks up heavy things and knocks the crap out of bad guys with them. It wasn't the deepest story, but it was fun to watch.
     
  4. latrobe7

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    BTW, forgot to mention how good Alfre Woodard is in this. I kind of feel like this season was her origin story; how she became the reluctant crime boss. I really like the dynamic with her as the boss and Shades as her #1. I think they will be long-time, recurring adversaries for Luke.
     
  5. heySkippy

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    One thing that stood out was the reveal about Reva having lied to Luke. That got me right in the feels.
     
  6. ryoung07

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    Agree with everyone here. The first 2/3 was great then Diamondback showed up. There's no way someone that crazy and stupid could be the head of anything.

    I would have bought Shades as the big bad. Also, the actor playing Diamondback didn't help at all as he played him so over the top. Also, why in the hell would the doctor make him a super anything? It doesn't make any sense.
     
  7. Beryl

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    Finished it last night and I agree about Diamondback, I wish he'd permanently disappear. Missy, Shades, and the character played by Woodard were the most interesting of the lot.

    I'm looking forward to Season 2.
     
  8. Dan203

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    He didn't. He said the suit was Hammer tech. That's the bad guy from Iron Man 2. The one who helps Whiplash build the robot army.
     
  9. Ereth

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    I think he's talking about the tease at the end of the series.
     
  10. Dan203

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    Oh you mean when they show the scientist guy walking into his hospital room? I forgot about that.
     
  11. cheesesteak

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    I hope all the negative feedback about Diamondback influences the masterminds of the future seasons of Luke Cage to totally write off that character.
     
  12. TAsunder

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    I didn't like Diamondback that much but I still enjoyed the entire series from start to finish. Some of the plot elements after Diamondback showed up were still really enjoyable.

    I'd rank this above Daredevil but below Jessica Jones. The thing that JJ and Luke Cage did was have multiple layers of storytelling. Jessica Jones had the kidnapping/sexual assault aspects that really gave weight to her ordeal. Luke Cage had a lot of commentary and plots around the modern plight of African Americans.

    Daredevil had a lot of up and down moments for me. It took me a while to even get through the first season because it just felt like endless fight scenes almost dead suddenly I'm fine again moments intermixed with underwhelming alter ego lawyer moments. Were it not for D'Onofrio's stellar performance, I might very well have abandoned the show entirely. After about episode 7 or so of season 1 I felt like it increased in quality and found its footing a little more.

    The music throughout Luke Cage was outstanding.
     
  13. frombhto323

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    That got me as well. Thought his instincts were good with her.

    Agree with most posters. Acting and characters were strong for the most part. The DBack storyline suffered compared to first half of the season. Overall, not as good as JJ, but I'm definitely looking forward to next season. As a Black person, I esp like that the characters talk and act like Black people. It's not always a given.
     
  14. Fahtrim

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    Agree with all the above, DiamondBack=DB=******bag

    I really really hope they see how terrible he was and decide to "remove" him off screen

    The rest was good, I'm looking forward to Bobby Fischer springing those files to Misty.....
     
  15. sushikitten

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    This was my first Marvel series so was coming into it fresh. And even I thought Diamondback was ridiculously over the top.

    Still, highly enjoyable with lots of great moments. Bring on S2!
     
  16. robojerk

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    I finally finished it. I felt this show dragged on way too much. Like Jessica Jones, it felt like they didn't have enough story for 13 episodes.

    The standoff in the club, was probably one of the most frustrating moments in the show. Misty dying while Luke does nothing for most of the episode. Diamondback with no plan but convinced he'll get away.

    I felt Cottonmouth was a way better villain than Diamondback.

    Mike Colter did a great job, but I still think this show would've been better with less episodes.
     
  17. ClutchBrake

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    I'm going to be the voice of dissent and say I was so disappointed in the show I couldn't finish it. I really thought it was only 10 episodes. I finished episode 9 and told myself I'd watch one more just to finish the season... then realized there were 13. I sat down to watch TV the next day and loathed the idea of sitting through another 4 hours of the show. So I didn't.

    The style of the show was great. Something of an odd mix of 20s/30s and 70s. Filmed very well. Music was great. Acting was hit or miss. Frankie Faison was great (as always). Mike Colter was OK. Alfre Woodard deserved better. Rosario Dawson has grown on me thanks to her time on the Netflix Marvel shows. The guys that played Cottonmouth, Diamondback, and Shades were truly awful. Frank Whaley was wasted.

    The writing was pretty terrible. Perhaps this show should have been 6 episodes. Could have been much tighter.

    Cottonmouth and Diamondback were so terrible. And Diamondback being Luke's brother (at least that was the assertion through episode 9)? Lame. Plus, Diamondback is powerful enough to control Harlem? Uh. What? He just seemed like some heavily armed nutball from Georgia.

    Cottonmouth and Diamondback going around shooting their own people was just ridiculous. Killing their own good people for no reason at that. Oh, and Diamondback can take out 5 security details in complete silence, walk into a meeting and shoot one guy in the forehead, throw a knife into another guy's eye, then kill two more guys with one bullet, but with a SUPERGUN can't manage to shoot Luke Cage in the head or heart? Then just lets the trash truck carry Luke away? Good Lord that is terrible writing.

    The villains in Luke Cage reminded me a lot of the bad guy(s) in season 5 of Justified. At no point did they ever seem like a threat to the hero. They were more annoying for their incompetence than anything else.

    And I realize Luke as a character can't just kill Cottonmouth, but there didn't really seem to be any reason why he shouldn't. Cottonmouth murdered a kid with his own hands. He ordered the murder of the kid (Chico) that was under Luke's care. He was indirectly responsible for the death of Pop. And he tried to have Luke killed on the spot. To go back to Timothy Olyphant, you get why Raylan and Bullock couldn't kill Boyd or Swearengen. Not so with the villains of Luke Cage. Bad writing.

    I think john4200's description of another bad guy on another show was a perfect assessment of my issues with Cottonmouth/Diamondback. So much so I'm just going to copy and paste (with his permission) what he wrote:

    I agree with you that this episode was very poorly done, but I would not say it is about Negan being a cartoon character. He seemed like a typical bad TV character, of the super-violent crazy tyrant type who everyone follows just because....well, because that is the way it is written. Badly.

    In a real group that large, with moron Negan walking around much of the time with only a baseball bat, surrounded by lots of crazy people armed with guns, one of them is going to get fed up with his crap and shoot him. Or one of them wants to be the new leader so they shoot him. Or maybe they just go crazy and shoot him. The point is that realistically, a leader that despicable cannot survive long simply because he is scary.

    But that is a big TV cliche. It seems TV writers like to imagine these leaders who are, in the writers' minds, so terrible and scary that everyone around them just lowers their eyes, gulps, and does as they are told. I have seen this cliche on TV time and time again, and it is annoying every time.
     
  18. cheesesteak

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  19. Hunter Green

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    Even if they take the criticism to heart, they're going to have to have at least a little bit of him. I hope that either they keep it to that, or they decide to correct for the over-the-top-ness by giving some better backstory explanation for it -- like how such an unstable person got control over so much -- and tone it down. (E.g., he didn't used to be this way, and something happened that made him lose his cool and destroy his empire. Like, say, he met a man in a purple shirt who told him to do things...)
     

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