Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

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  1. BitbyBlit

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    Right. That's just my interpretation of what was going on since we don't know for sure how the sideways world worked.

    If the world was more of a virtual world, then the characters could have set things in motion, and after that things played out more naturally, meaning Sawyer's consciousness didn't have any control over whether or not he found Cooper. I disagree with that interpretation, but it's a possibility.

    Well, it started for us with that. But I'm not sure there was a "start" for the characters. And if there was, I think it would have to have been earlier since things from the past like Jack's surgery and Ben and his father leaving the island were different.
     
  2. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    After all these pages, I may be smeeking. But -

    Thinking about the sideways world and the differences there. One was the dad's were a lot more pleasant - widmore, miles' dad, locke's dad and such. However, Sun's father was still someone to be worried about. I don't remember if Sawyer's dad or the real sawyer was mentioned. And Kates's stepdad was still icky....I think.

    Anyway, for me, it's the mark of a great show when I am still thinking about it.
     
  3. gchance

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    Michael Emerson has explained the finale in 14 words. Seriously.

    I can see the responses now. "Oh, well that's his interpretation, of course."

    Watch the video, the last line is funny. To me anyway. :)

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  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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  7. Alpinemaps

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    While I appreciate Jonah's work, I have to disagree with the placement of some of the stuff.

    I'm a fellow cartographer, user the software he uses, and he and I exhibit our stuff at the same conference. Having said that, I think it's a great looking map.
     
  8. Anubys

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    I'd love to see your version...
     
  9. Alpinemaps

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    Wish I had time. I really do respect his work, and think, cartographically speaking, it's an excellent map. Very nicely put together - great visuals, great colors. I saw him exhibit his map from a couple of years ago at our conference (The ESRI International User Conference).

    The Conference is for users of GIS (Geographic Information Systems), and is really geared to 'reality'. GIS is used to produce maps for city, counties, states, federal agencies. It's much more than just maps, but it's easiest to say 'we make maps'.

    It's unusual to find someone working on maps of fictitious places, because there's no 'reality' to ground our work in. (I've been working on a map of a fictitious place - I'd rather not say which place, though - for a couple of years now). It takes a lot of time and energy to produce these - it's not something done in Illustrator or Photoshop.

    He mentions the trouble of trying to place things when no real geography is given, and the time to get to certain places seems short sometimes, and long other times. And I can certainly see why.

    I guess I disagree with a couple of things, and maybe it's because of the same difficulties he ran into.

    I don't like where the Black Rock is placed, in comparison to Tawaret. The vegetation (green area) running down the middle implies a significant change in topography (big hilly mountains). Plus, with the radio tower not far from Tawaret, that means the Black Rock went over quite a bit of mountains to get to where it is. (I do agree it needs to be decently close to Rousseau's camp, though.

    Speaking of Rousseau - that's a long way from where the French Camp is to where she ended up. I didn't feel like she went far, but I guess she did?

    I don't know about the Temple. It seems like it was a good distance away from Dharmaville. That seems too close to me.

    The lighthouse - I know what Hurley said in the show. But, at the same time - the map implies that it's been passed by at least twice - once by Sayid (in Season 1, before he stumbles upon Rousseau) and then by the Taillies.

    I'm not sure about the placement of the Others/Raft incident (Walt!!!). The Raft would have had to pass by Tawaret. And then they would have had to ended up drifting way over to the where the Taillies were.

    Geographically, I do disagree with the placement of the church vs 815 camp. I physically visited the set, and if you're looking at the beach, from the water, it was to the right. I'd swear that was how it was depicted on the show, too.

    Again - don't get me wrong. I think he did a fantastic job. I wish I had the time to dedicate to this. And I am, in no fashion, putting down his work. I really respect his efforts. Cartographically, I like his presentation a lot. I'll be curious to see if the Lost Encyclopedia has a map in it, and how it compares. I just don't know that I'd agree with where he placed everything. (And don't know that I'd have a good answer, either)
     
  10. betts4

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    I will say I really loved the map, but if I was doing it, I would have put some things in other spots. Some of those choices just don't feel right to me. Maybe I could understand better by seeing the whole thing with all the explanations that are written around it. I think there should have been more vegatation shown around the camp. Also, that Dharmaville (I guess the barracks here) would have had Hydra closer to it. People were always jumping in a boat, kyack whatever and rowing on out to it, it should be on the same side of the island as the statue and such.
     
  11. wprager

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    You'd figure there would be a rough map in the show runners' "bible". Maybe they could pass that along to Jonah and he could take it from there. Too bad that will probably never happen (but if some of TPTB are reading this, hey, how about it?)
     
  12. DevdogAZ

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    I don't like how small and close Hydra Island is to the main Island. While I agree that Hydra is smaller than the main Island, it wasn't that small in comparison. And I think there are at least a couple miles of ocean between the two islands. On the western side of Maui, you can see Molokai and Lanai very well, but they're quite a ways away. I always felt like Hydra was anywhere from 3-10 miles away, not 1/3 mile, as his map seems to indicate.
     
  13. Alpinemaps

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    Thank you! That was the other thing I failed to mention. I felt like Hydra island was a lot closer to Dharmaville than it's depicted on this map. And it little bit farther away.

    And I know you were being serious in your question, and not poking fun/daring me. I really am a professional cartographer (just like Jonas is), but, sadly, I do have a day job and a life. Because, trust me - I would *love* to create this map myself. I just don't have the time to do it. Not because I don't have the skill. My maps have been on TV, published by National Geographic, won awards, etc.

    At work, I even joke that because I'm middle management these days, they don't let me make maps anymore. I only get to ask my staff to do them, and then all I get to do is make suggestions on how to improve them. I don't get to make them any more. :(
     
  14. stiffi

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    Did anybody see Jimmy Kimmels "Un-necessary Censorship" bit the night before the finale. OMG, one of the funniest things I've seen in years. Try to Youtube it, or see if ABC still has that episode on the website.

    I can't do it justice, but it goes like this. They went and found scenes throughout the series where a character said something that began with the letter "F" and then bleeped it out. So, it sounds as if they are saying the "F Word" in your head. I don't know why, but your mind automatically fills in that word as you listen to it. The result is, it sounds like that characters are saying that word in all kinds of crazy places.

    They had the Actor who plays Bernard in the audience and even he was in stitches. You owe it to yourself to watch it.
     
  15. gchance

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    I think it was posted earlier in this thread, stiffi.

    "Shh! I &%$@ your son's dog." - Locke

    Greg
     
  16. Philosofy

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    I haven't read this thread, but I just dreamt that I watched an epilogue, with Hugo and Ben on the Island. It involved cameos from the Ghost Whisperer, the Justice League of America, and other friends of mine. The true boss' of the Island were the Guardians of the Galaxy. It was pretty vivid, pretty weird, and I wish I could remember all of it. Of course, it really didn't explain anything. :)
     
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    Huh?
     
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    There are more things in heaven and earth, Philosofy,
    Than are dreamt of in your Horatio.

    Wait. That's not right...
     

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