Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

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  1. May 24, 2010 #681 of 1949

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

    Apr 17, 2002
    Atlanta, GA


    I think MIB removed the body so Jack would be more likely to believe that he was really seeing Christian.
  2. May 24, 2010 #682 of 1949

    Polcamilla -b±√(b^2 - 4ac)/2a

    Nov 7, 2001
    I keep picturing the director showing it a little more literally and it comes out like a dimented Wizard of Oz scene:

    Jack: I had this other life and you were there and you were there and you were there and--(sees grown-up Aaron) who the hell are YOU?!
    Grown-up Aaron: I'm Aaron.
    Jack: Oh.
  3. May 24, 2010 #683 of 1949

    vman Member

    Feb 9, 2001
    Vienna, VA
    This is interesting, but I don't buy the bit about why Ben is not in the church. If it was only supposed to be people included in the ending that was written at the time of the pilot, would Juliette and Libby be there?
  4. May 24, 2010 #684 of 1949

    pcguru83 RIP Misty

    Jan 18, 2005
    Charlotte, NC
    That's some good stuff right there. He nails a large part of the reason that I felt the ending was corny.

    Even after a second watching, I'm just as disappointed, if not more so, in how things were "wrapped up". Ultimately, I'm not really even all that upset that we didn't get "answers". Quite frankly, I wasn't expecting them in the first place. All I really wanted was for the sixth and final season to make a bit more sense in the overall narrative of the story. Lost failed in that regard in my opinion.

    Has it effected my overall opinion of Lost? I honestly anticipated at some point buying the Blu-ray box set and settling in for a Lost marathon. My wife and I both agreed that neither of us really have any desire to do that at this point. What's the purpose? Most of what we really loved about the first few seasons ends up not really mattering, so what's the point.
  5. May 24, 2010 #685 of 1949

    ahartman Space for Rent

    Dec 28, 2001
    Cleveland, OH


    We tried watching for about 20 minutes and gave up. I grabbed a torrent this morning and we watched it this afternoon.
  6. May 24, 2010 #686 of 1949

    Keith_R90210 New Member

    Jul 25, 2003
    I left last night's episode absolutely hating the ending and feeling completely gypped. The actual episode itself was an emotional roller coaster ride for me though and there was a lot that I liked/loved about the episode.

    I took some time to think over what I saw and make my way through about half of this thread and I think I've finally decided that I liked it and perhaps even loved it. I plan on re-watching it this weekend and then it will hopefully click for me completely.

    I completely agree with those that say this show has been centered on the characters for the past 6 years, and that while the island is certainly an interesting aspect of it all, not everything about it needs to be resolved. For me the biggest emotional drain (and the aspect which had me on the verge of tears all evening) was the stuff involving the characters and the final conclusion.

    Initially I hated the last 10 minutes and all the stuff involving the Sideways stuff but upon reading the thread today it all clicked for me and I'm now coming around to it and seeing the greatness of it. My final thoughts on this will come with my rewatch this weekend. I particularly like this thought of Desmond as the constant in it all who engineered ways to reunite the survivors so that they could progress forward.

    Other things which I loved about this episode:

    1.The individual scenes of each character remembering and letting go (particularly Jin and Sun, Sawyer and Juliette)

    2. The brutal and epic fight between Jack and Locke on the cliffs. I felt as though the series had been setting us up for this since the discovery of the hatch in season one and the exchange between Jack and Kate about "our Locke problem" at that time.

    3. Jack coming full circle. I found this to be a little contrived but I still liked it a lot and the final shot of his eyes closing was just heart-touching and beautiful, and Vincent lying next to him.. I about cracked here.

    4. The final final reunion scene. I loved this and it was so great to see after all these people had gone through. I'll be really analyzing this on my second watch.

    5. The score. Perfect at all the right times. I would love to get a Lost soundtrack if they have one. The music in the series is great and the music in this finale just was outstanding.

    The final shot of the wreckage was finally what symbolized to me that it was all over. I found this to be the saddest scene in the entire show and it was the one which left me with the big sense of grief that others in the thread mentioned.

    That's it for now, I'm sure I'll have more to chime in on after watching it again.
  7. May 24, 2010 #687 of 1949

    Solver New Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    San Jose, CA
    Who would have guess it was all just a snow globe?
  8. May 24, 2010 #688 of 1949

    jkeegan Active Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    Eh, a *bloody* snow globe...
  9. May 25, 2010 #689 of 1949

    zordude WDW Fan TCF Club

    Sep 23, 2003
    Nashua, NH
    The DVD art on amazon for the complete collection amused me. Clearly whoever designed it didn't watch the show "All the mysteries will be revealed" indeed... LOL

  10. May 25, 2010 #690 of 1949

    lpamelaa Member

    May 3, 2004
    Los Angles, CA
    OK, I may end up smeeking, but I just can't keep up with the thread!

    I saw a couple people complain that Helen wasn't at the church with Locke. "Helen" only existed in the flash-sideways. Remember, Helen was a phone sex operator that wheelchair-Locke created a fantasy around. I classify her as I do David who also only existed in the flash-sideways.

    How I wish I could watch Richard learn about the modern world. He came to the Island on the Black Rock and left on a jet airplane. There was a moment (hope I didn't imagine it) where he looked confused about operating the seatbelt. That's when I realized that he has an ADVENTURE in store for him when they land!

    I believe that Juliette's dying words to Sawyer were actually here talking in the flash-sideways. "It worked." And I recall her muttering something strange about going Dutch to Sawyer as she died. Anyone have that dialogue to match up??

    Watching "The End" reminded me of my thoughts on the Pilot. Watching the pilot, I thought LOST would be about how these diverse characters learn to live together and create a new society of their own. Of course, the mysteries spiraled deeper and deeper and sucked me in. But, I'm the in the camp that at its heart, it was mostly about the characters so I'm satisfied with the ending.
  11. May 25, 2010 #691 of 1949

    zordude WDW Fan TCF Club

    Sep 23, 2003
    Nashua, NH
    I don't think he was any stranger to the modern world.

    From lostpedia:

  12. May 25, 2010 #692 of 1949

    lpamelaa Member

    May 3, 2004
    Los Angles, CA
    I immediately thought of Indian Jones and the Last Crusade and muttered "Only a penitent man shall pass."
  13. May 25, 2010 #693 of 1949

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    That's not true. Helen was real; Locke met her at a 12-step program for "kids who hate their parents" or something. They dated for a while and Locke was going to ask her to marry him (got a ring and everything) but when Locke helped his father with one last con and Helen found out, she dumped him (Locke).

    it's true that in S1 when Locke was talking to "Helen" on the phone, that was a phone sex operator but he was calling her "Helen" because he was messed up over losing the real Helen.

    Also not true. Richard has been off the Island plenty of times; we saw him with young Locke for example, and he was part of the group that induced Juliet to come to the Island IIRC.
  14. May 25, 2010 #694 of 1949

    gchance 4 8 15 16 23 42

    Dec 6, 2002
    Olivehurst, CA
    Completely and utterly wrong.


    The first time we hear of Helen, she's a phone sex operator in Walkabout. Locke had called many phone sex operators in order to find one named Helen, who he could then not engage in phone sex, but have a faux relationship.

    This faux relationship replaces the real one that he had with Helen Norwood, who he met at an anger management group, and who left him due to his obsession with his father.

  15. May 25, 2010 #695 of 1949
    balboa dave

    balboa dave well rounded

    Jan 19, 2004
    Revealed does not mean answered. :p
  16. May 25, 2010 #696 of 1949

    zordude WDW Fan TCF Club

    Sep 23, 2003
    Nashua, NH
    Heh! Maybe they should have just said "You will have lots of questions" :D
  17. May 25, 2010 #697 of 1949

    toddorts New Member

    Aug 30, 2003
    Yep, although it's not really supposed to be used for this purpose in that kind of plane. It's designed to help slow down during landing. You can use reverse thrust to back up, but you have to be very careful, because even a light tap on the brakes can cause the plane to tip onto its tail. I was cringing as he used differential reverse to turn as he was backing up. Definitely not something you'd do in the real world. :)

    Maybe I can clear this up conclusively with a bit of technical knowledge.

    The Ajira plane is a new generation 737, which is a mid- to long-range narrowbody aircraft. It's a relatively small airplane.

    By contrast, the airplane shown on the beach at the end of "The End" is a very large wide-body aircraft. The Oceanic airplane is depicted in-flight on the show as either a 767-400 or an A330 (hard to tell since it was never seen up-close). In other words, it's a big plane, holding 250+ passengers. The airplane that the producers actually used in the pilot for the wreckage was a torn up, retired Delta L1011, which is an older widebody aircraft. It looks nothing like the plane that they show in-flight as the Oceanic plane, but that didn't matter, because it was just shown broken up on the beach. The way you can tell, though, is the engines, which are clearly seen both in the pilot episode and at the closing scene of the show. The L1011 had Rolls Royce RB-211 engines, which are pretty easy to pick out for pilots. They're large, high-bypass engines, and you can clearly see them laying on the beach at the end. The 737, on the other hand, the Ajira plane, had small General Electric CFM-56 engines. They look absolutely nothing like the engines you see laying on the beach in the closing shot during the credits.

    There's no question about it. The wreckage seen at the end of the finale is the original Oceanic crash.

    I'm going to wait until the Blu-Ray release in August, but I'm looking forward to it. I have a feeling the show will mean a lot more now that we're not trying to constantly search for answers, and can just enjoy the ride.

    Brilliant! I can't believe I didn't pick up on it. I remember when I originally saw that episode that I thought the dialogue from Bernard was very cryptic and strange, but I forgot all about it. Looking back on it now, I think it's almost certain that he had already had his "wake up" moment.

    I'm going to miss this show.
  18. May 25, 2010 #698 of 1949

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

    Apr 19, 2004
    East Moline, IL
    Hmmm... I just saw Terry O'Quinn on Star Trek: TNG's "The Pegasus" episode. He had (some) hair back then!
  19. May 25, 2010 #699 of 1949

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I wouldn't say he killed anyone.
    Does Jacob bear some responsibility for the deaths of the people he brought to the Island?
    I'd say yes.

    But we never saw him do any actual killing other than his brother and we didn't see him ordering the death of anyone.

    Jacob was big believer in Free Will.
    Possibly to a fault.
  20. May 25, 2010 #700 of 1949

    Delta13 Missed left turn

    Jan 25, 2003
    Albuquerque, NM
    There was a line that bothered me a lot at the time, but it fell out of mind (as so many things do these days :)) till now. And I don't believe anyone mentioned it - yes, I read the whole thread even. It's when Desmond was getting setup by Jack to go down the waterfall. Desmond said something like, "Jack, it doesn't matter what happens here you know. Nothing matters here."

    It bothered me at the time because it felt like it meant that 6 years of toiling and trying and living on the island didn't matter. Maybe I understood it wrong, but I wonder what the other learned souls on this board thought of that moment.

    (I'm not being sarcastic either. If I was going to be sarcastic, I'd say something like "Calling Jeff's huge posts hills is giving hills more credit than they're due." Smile, Jeff. :) )

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