Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

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  1. May 24, 2010 #641 of 1949
    jkeegan

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    Ok a few more things:

    Why there was an island at the bottom of the ocean in the sideways: I think the made sideways is a story world written by Hurley (or Jack, but probably Hurley..), and one of the elements was having the island out of their lives.. Locke had just threatened to sink the island and put it at the bottom of the ocean (which he actually failed to do), so Hurley put that into the story (in conjunction with his idea of making the bomb-dropping incident go the way they'd hoped, in his sideways story).

    Deja vu.. Did I say this already? Whoa! I'm remembering something.. nah, it's gone.

    The lack of Christian's body in both the sideways AND in reality has me wondering again about the phrase "it's turtles all the way down", and whether that applies here.. The magic of the island could certainly be explained easier if that's all part of a magic sideways world from somewhere else.. maybe they "move on" from world to world as a bunch, instead of the simple "go to heaven" idea? (I don't seriously think this - I found the presented story completely satisfactory, but the lack of his body in both does have me a bit puzzled).

    By the way.. I'm an atheist who doesn't believe in any afterlife whatsoever, but I absolutely loved the story.. I've HATED religious cop-out endings to other works of "art" (most can guess which two I mean, one TV and one a movie, both mentioned in this thread), but here I felt they gave us fair warning as soon as we saw Miles being able to talk to dead people (and in his first flashback, he was doing that - talking, not just listening, despite what he later told Hurley about how it works). At that point I felt a small amount of disappointment, mourned the science/faith 50/50 balance they'd had up until then, and accepted that the story was clearly going more towards afterlifey-stuff.. I loved the movies Made in Heaven, Heaven Can Wait, and Field of Dreams, so I can enjoy those, but I have to know early on that that's what that is, otherwise it's a cop-out.

    With 3 seasons of notice, I didn't feel that was a cop-out. Again I felt a bit uneasy at first, but grew to enjoy Miles and Hurley's abilities, and it made this story excellent.

    And I for one am glad they managed to trick me into a purgatory story line after everyone and their cousin loudly guessed the island was purgatory in season 1. I'd even said things like "if that's what they wanted to do, I hope they don't change it since they're found out, but rather trick me into not noticing it coming".

    They even tested my faith about What Happened, Happened - a point where I became really disappointed that the elegance of a static time travel story was sacrificed to show us this what-if-815-never-crashed story.. I disliked two realities, and wanted to gag every time anyone here (no offense) suggested wanting to see characters from one of the timelines actually travel from one timeline to the other physically, or to have the "two universes merge somehow".. Ugh.. Couldn't picture a way that that would happen which wouldn't utterly suck, but I had fai.. er.. trust in the writers that they'd present something good. Nicely done.

    Ok, a few more things:

    1) In the recap they showed them holding the sat phone, and I remembered us all looking intently at the sat phone UI and thinking "that looks like what the new iPhone thing that's going to come out in 6 months looks like!!! ooooohhh".. Wow, it's been a long time..

    2) Another slight Charlie inconsistency: Charlie himself was the one to turn Desmond's car into the water to "show him", and told him about this beautiful girl he saw.. but he still took time even near Claire to "wake up".

    3) The one moment where I teared up more than any other was actually when Hurley was talking to Ben and asked him if he'd be his #2. Michael Emerson, you da man. Insanely great acting. Second behind that (which I thought would be first) was the James/Juliete scene.

    Excellent show. Gonna miss you Lost. It'll sadly be years before we have anything even close..
     
  2. May 24, 2010 #642 of 1949
    JYoung

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    To be fair, Charlie was extremely loaded.
    And I think there was also some stunned disbelief on his part that Claire was actually there.
     
  3. May 24, 2010 #643 of 1949
    gchance

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    I'm having a bit of fun looking at some old Lost threads. This gem is from the Walkabout thread:

    There's some cool stuff out there. :D

    Greg
     
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    Coming upon one of your long posts in one of these long long threads is like having a giant hill appear suddenly in front of me when I'm out riding my bike. I know I'm going to tackle it, and I'm going to pedal the whole way, and I know I'll feel good about having completed it, but I can't say it makes me happy when I find myself at the bottom staring up.:D
     
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    BeanMeScot

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    The body was missing in the sideways because it was a life after death. It wouldn't make sense for his body to be in the casket when EVERYONE there was dead!
     
  6. May 24, 2010 #646 of 1949
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    I don't know why I remember this, but I remember when Zevida said she was giving up on LOST way back in season one, then showed up the the next weeks thread, and I amused myself by pointing out that she was still there. Though, I thought she was a he at the time.
     
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    Basically, she asked Desmond if he was going to take her son away from her and he told her no.
     
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    I never really appreciated Kate's legs before she put on that dress. Very nice.
     
  9. May 24, 2010 #649 of 1949
    getreal

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    I think the cave filled up with water and he floated out. He awoke on a rock in a pond which was fed by a small waterfall coming from a cave entrance.
    I'd have to rewatch the episode with MiB to see if Jacob recovered his body from the same location. I recall us speculating that he was blown out of the hole when Smokey emerged, but he might have been washed out as well.
     
  10. May 24, 2010 #650 of 1949
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    Someone from Bad Robot's take on the Finale


     
  11. May 24, 2010 #651 of 1949
    Polcamilla

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    I was talking with a friend earlier today and realized PRECISELY THIS.

    Jacob and Lox's "mom" FORCED them into being on the island with one as protector and in so doing, robbed them of their free will. I never felt either one was fundamentally good/evil as the show's writers seem to imply, but by taking their free will from them, she broke them both *and* the Island in such a way that it caused all the problems with the Island and was drawn out for thousands of years.

    In truth, it was unfixable until either their free will was restored to them or they were both destroyed. Ultimately it went in that latter direction. The one good thing Jacob did was break the potential cycle in letting his successor choose his fate rather than being forced into it.
     
  12. May 24, 2010 #652 of 1949
    jkeegan

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    Right, I totally agree that in the sideways the casket should be empty. But on the island, it was empty too. Until last night we didn't have all of the answers we were getting.. So we didn't know if we'd get some explanation of ghosts etc. But when Jack said "how are you here?", Christian's answer was the question "how are YOU here?".. Maybe I blended the question of why his body is missing from the casket and why ghosts are visible, but it had me realizing that we still and no reason for him to not be in that casket on the island.

    (especially when we know that smokey was the vision Jack had of Christian that led him to the caves/water)
     
  13. May 24, 2010 #653 of 1949
    Polcamilla

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    Obviously, it was Christian's skeleton down where the light was. :D
     
  14. May 24, 2010 #654 of 1949
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    He even went so far as to give Ben the freewill to kill him.
     
  15. May 24, 2010 #655 of 1949
    lordrichter

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    I am trying to understand why people think that Hurley lived an unusually long life, on the order of hundreds or thousands of years. Jacob and Jack were "christened" by drinking water after it was "blessed" by the previous job holder.

    Hurley was "christened" by unceremoniously drinking water while the Island was turned off.

    Then again, there is no reason to believe that the ceremony with Jack was anything more than an act by Jacob to give confidence.
     
  16. May 24, 2010 #656 of 1949
    jkeegan

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    Let's see. How about because Hurley said "you were a great #2" without laughing as if it were a joke or anything, instead of saying "well you'd have made a great #2 if Jack hadn't lied to us and I was actually a #1 for you to be #2 to. Imagine how cool it would be if when I tried using those powers to create my own rules, it actually worked, instead of us realizing Jack lied just to build my confidence? Jack's a jerk. Ok I'm gonna go inside and pretend to be nice to him now."

    :D
     
  17. May 24, 2010 #657 of 1949
    Mike Wells

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    I also think the island at the bottom helps to date how long Hurley was the protector. I assume Hurley either sunk the island and left or it sank after he left, since obviously Hurley couldn't sink the island and still protect it. In the underwater CGI we see Dharmaville houses, and they aren't completely degraded and unrecognizable. So, I'd figure that Hurley was the caretaker for 50-100 years at most.

    Not that it matters at all.
     
  18. May 24, 2010 #658 of 1949
    Rob Helmerichs

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    On the other hand, we don't know if Hurley was #1 for 1,000 years or 15 minutes.

    OK, maybe 15 minutes isn't long enough to figure out that Ben is a good #2. 6 weeks? Nah, give it a year. :D

    On the other other hand, nobody is saying that Hurley was #1 for centuries, only that he COULD have been. Which is certainly true.
    ??? The island never sank. Jack stopped it from sinking.
     
  19. May 24, 2010 #659 of 1949
    Mike Wells

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    Chesterfield...
    In the first flash sideways in the first episode of season 6, right? We saw a flyby of the island, sunk. Or am I remembering incorrectly? I figured that was the island sunk sometime during the sideways, which could be any time or no time.
     
  20. May 24, 2010 #660 of 1949
    Mike Wells

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    Chesterfield...
    here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShXUNZng5Y0

    How else would you reconcile having the island sunk? We assumed the first time that this was showing the result of the atomic bomb, which we now know to be false, but it does mean that the island does end up at the bottom of the sea, complete with Dharmaville houses and swing sets.
     

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